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    Oh, I'm not talking XP, I'm talking about XP EMBEDDED..

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    I use xplite and 98lite. With xplite I have not been able to get xp small enough to fit onto a 1gig cf card. But, I have managed to create a version of winme small enough to fit and it runs media engine and mediacar with no problems. The biggest issue I see with xp embedded is getting all of the devices to work and the cost.
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    This might help: From Drivesoft

    I would like to first comment on the boot time topic. I see many people are thinking that Drivesoft system always uses XP EMB on compact flash. This is not always true. We install unit in industrial vehicle that we do use compact flash in but 99% of the multi media unit that we sell have 2.5 hard drives in them. We are getting our 6 sec boot time with XP pro and the same with XP EMB. We are using standby "STR". When we use Hibernation we get about8 to 10 sec start up. Also when I say start up I mean when the music starts to play. A while back some software company made a comment about how we boot fast with compact flash etc but he was just assuming that. One of the reasons we boot as solid and as fast as we do even on hard drives is because we are managing driver "load and order". This goes for shut down as well. We also write some of the drivers for the products we use which also help in standby issues etc. You should remember tat most PC product out there are all made to work on all pc's. Once you remove the ALL word and design drivers etc that work with only your product you get better results.
    Example: the new GM radios that have the LCD in the dash made by Delphi have a processor and an OS and so dose the BMW. Some is running CE. Why do they not crash like pc's do? Only because it was designed to do certain functions. We worked on some of theses unit in GM cars with them and see why they do not have problems. We are just doing the same thing they are but on a wider scale.

    Now far as your removable drive and XP issues.
    Try right clicking on the drive and go to properties. Then go to the hardware tab. then highlight the drive and select properties again. Then go to the policies tab and change the setting to "Optimize for Performance". This will also allow you to format removable media with NTFS. XP functions this way because it wants to handle removable devices fast so you do not need to click Safety Remove Hardware task first.

    Hope this helps. It works for most people.

    Drivesoft Support

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drivesoft
    Now far as your removable drive and XP issues.
    Try right clicking on the drive and go to properties. Then go to the hardware tab. then highlight the drive and select properties again. Then go to the policies tab and change the setting to "Optimize for Performance". This will also allow you to format removable media with NTFS. XP functions this way because it wants to handle removable devices fast so you do not need to click Safety Remove Hardware task first.

    Hope this helps. It works for most people.

    Drivesoft Support
    First let me welcome you to Mp3car, glad to see you guys joining the ranks of developers here sharing information. I hope you find this site as helpful as most of us do. Can't think of a unsolved problem that someone here hasn't been able to fix, including that little XM PCR deal that allowed to us adjust XM's attitude for them in under 30 days

    That said, let me further test your knowledge of the compact flash solutions. I checked the settings you listed above and found on my box using an IDE/CF II adapter and running a Hitachi 4GB micro drive that the "Optimize for Performance" option does not exist. "Enable write caching" is the only listed option for that device. Is this because I'm all ready running NTFS on the drive? My secondary 1Gb micro running Fat in the VIA card bus slot gives the options you listed but not the 4Gb thatís my primary C drive.

    Second, what have you ran into regarding software installs on the removables? I found a bunch of apps like Office XP, Windows updates, AVG and many others that just won't install to a removable device. To get past it I did the first install on an IDE drive then used Ghost to create an image that I loaded to the micro drive. Fixed most everything but Windows automatic updates, and that one you truly need if you plan to be connected to the net without getting your car hacked....

    I've tried everything but changing to XPE or CE to work around it. 2000 and XP just won't accept the fact that C:\ could be a removable drive and it works hard to try and change your mind also. I would rather stick with Pro and have the option to add and remove programs on the fly then have to rebuild my image every time I get a whim to try out some new apps.

    Any suggestions on how to trick XP into thinking it's just another IDE in there?

    Cheers,

    Nos

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    XP pro or XPE to CF from Drivesoft

    Maybe I did I not read the post correctly so let me step back and see if this will help.

    First I am not sure why the work around that everyone is doing just to get fast boot time. This can be dome just setting up XP correctly and using standby. Make sure you have the latest drivers for hardware etc. We have custom drivers for our hardware but that is not completely needed if you have device that support STR mode. XP will come out of standby in 6 secs with out any special work being done. Out of hibernate in about 10secs.

    However if you or insisting on using CF for speed you may be shock that it is not as fast as you may think. Fast true but not super speed. The only reason we use CF is for industrial units and to places we ship were it is super cold like in parts of Europe and Canada. When have seen hard drive just stop completely because of cold weather etc.

    Step by step fax that work for us. If they donít work for you then you may be from a different part of the computing world. Like the one I donít know about lol.

    You will have a nightmare trying to load the XP OS on removable media. It must be a fixed drive. SO how do you get a fixed drive? I do no know and really never cared about finding out. Why? Thatís because we have a CF manufacture set up our CF card to a fixed drive. We then format NTFS and then partition it and make it active so then it will have the correct MBR needed to point to the ntldr and load the OS.


    Some extra things you may want to know: Standard off the "ebayself" etc Lexar, sandisk etc are multi level cell CF cards which do not come as fixed an I think there is no way to change a multi level cell CF to a fixed drive, That I know of but then again as I said I never checked. Other thing is multi level cell CF card allow manufacture to have above 1gig so that why they do it this way. So if you are going to run an OS on CF first it should be an industrial Single Level Cell CF card. Another note is that you will not find a Single Level Cell CF card larger then 1gig, that I know of.

    So you are in a little bit of a jam if you do not want to use XPE unless you have a reliable way to get XPpro smaller like with nlite etc.

    Let me just say that I have not research this topic as far as what now may be available. I am just telling you what we have been doing here at Drivesoft with CF card and it has been working for a few years very well. The Single level cell cf cards also have a much high life. You could get between 3 to 7 years of usage out of one.

    SO where do you get off the self CF fixed industrial CF cards? Not sure where of the shelf would be. We get ours in bulk from the manufacture that sets them up for us so all we need to do it load the OS etc and go.

    Hope you can find some that can be sold in 1 pc qty.

    Good luck

    Drivesoft Support

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    Ok Drivesoft you've done your homework well then I realize the diff between the CFII Flash and CFII Micro's but that could explain why XP Pro would crash every time I tried to install it directly using FAT 32 but allowed a NTFS install. You can't disable the CF option by using drive tools either, the drives contain some data in first sectors that is hard coded from what I found. There may be a couple off the shelf OEM 4GB micro drives out there with the CF II function disabled.

    If everyone recalls the Creative Labs MuVo II Mp3 player hack a few months back that prompted a rush on them just to get the Hitachi 4GB drives they contained for use in a digital camera or PDA. Hitachi started disabling the CF II function on those units for Creative to kill the flood of claims they received for defective units that had been cracked open and broken. According to my contacts in Hitachi the new "Silver" MuVo II contains an "ATA" capable only micro dive that will not work in CFII mode. I think the Ipod Mini contains this same drive from what I have read. I would love to test one in a IDE/CF adapter and see what windows thinks of it. If anyone has please post the results.

    On your temp statement, the micro drive seems to be able to handle the cold better then a standard IDE. I've yet to get below 30 F here so I am waiting to see when the No Drive Found error pops up. Some guys have talked of making drive heaters, that's a different approach from the norm. It looks like the read only image on a flash is still the only true harsh condition solution out there for the OS. But I still love those little 4 gig micro's just because they so damn cute.

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    Would the kind people at Drivesoft be willing to sell a few of those CF cards if we did a group buy? I will volunteer to manage the whole process.
    How about it? Peeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaase.

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    Cf Fixed Drives

    We do not sell parts. I will let you know if that changes.

    Sorry

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