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Thread: Epia Motherboard GCS Capacitor Issues

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    Exclamation Epia Motherboard GCS Capacitor Issues

    Hey, all. Majorly bummed that my shiny new M10000 is doomed to [what I see as] a short life.

    I've started this thread to alert everybody to a known issue with the [cannister] capacitors on Epia mainboards. Props to Mick for the heads-up.

    In a nutshell: Via's been using el-cheapo capicators labelled "GCS" on some of their motherboards, and they have close to a 100% failure rate.

    From what I've read, Ms, MIIs, and CLs are definitely affected. Wonderful.

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    If you dig in deeper many sites and articles mention that even the most known manufacturers of screens and mobos are suffering these problems...

    It is not a question of el-cheapo at all (from my view)... It is a question of a flaw in the product, which was not discovered in time (basically what would cause your Mercedes-Benz/BMW car to be recalled - not meaning it is a cheap-o car) and the dimensions of the problem, and the size of the spread became so huge that it became impossible to recall all the deffective products.

    HOWEVER, from what I have read the caps tent to malfunction only in very heavy duty cycles (like 24hrs on), and/or bad cooling (not sure about the fanless versions)... so basically dont leave your carpc on 24hrs a day, and think about cooling when u design your case/system... I think you can be tranquil on this issue, afterall, I havent seen any complaints in this forum, but I have seen issues raised from other types of applications like servers/PVRs that would be always-on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyN
    It is not a question of el-cheapo at all (from my view)...
    Maybe. But I somehow think that the GSC (aka contraband formula) caps were more cost-efficient for Via. I don't blame them for trying to keep prices down; this possible (pending?) failure just really irritates me. What I do blame them for is not acknowledging this problem. I guess all the boards would've been too expensive for them to recall, poor guys. So people are ending up $200 paperweights.

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    ...I think you can be tranquil on this issue, afterall, I havent seen any complaints in this forum...
    /hopeful, but soldering iron in hand

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    Suprising that VIA let this happen... especially after all of the bad publicity and such that Abit got for the same thing a few years back...

    http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY...eb03/ncap.html

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    GSC is very poor capacitor.
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    I'm not sure how sourcing for this kind of stuff happens, but I have read that even the largest mobo manufacturer in the world PCCHips or whqatever its called, had problems with their caps... and from my understanding it wasnt only GSC brand caps that had problems - i could be wrong though...

    Anyways, it would not be viable for VIA/PCChips/and a ton of other companies to recall products manufactured one or two years earlier...

    Anyways, there is a mention that the newer boards are no longer being fit with these components anyways so take a look at yours...

    Like has been pointed out... it is a function of heat vs uptime, so Ireally doubt problems to be very significant to our crown... Heck, the problem has been out for yrs and I hadnt yet seen any complaints about it on here....

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    After reading that entire article it now appears that GCS itself isnt the only manufacturer affected, and that GCS itself might not have known of the problem, and most certainly VIA and the others didnt even imagine this...

    The fault is in a component of the capacitors sold by yet another company.... all this info is in the link posted up...

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    well if it happens to us cant we just remove them and solder new ones on?
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    I think you can DEPENDING on the extent of the "blow-up"... sometimes it can crap out the mobo by shorting after the blowup...

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    hmm maybe i should add a few more air vents in my set up haha.
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