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    I remember that Skippman...I had a jumper on the card that enabled the onboard amplifier. I always left it disabled, however because it caused my audio to clip when I used it with powered speakers.

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    There you go! How do you think the car amped the speakers?
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    Originally posted by Skippman
    That board has onboard AC'97 audio. Thats 90% software driven. There's really no hardware there to speak off.

    I, personally, would use somthing like the Fortismo II. It really depends on how you plan to deliver the audio to the stereo system.

    I myself am using TOS-LINK optical to a Pioneer DEX-P9. That way I will have no interferance from other electronics in the system.
    Do you have a link to this TOS-LINK? What exactly is it? I also have a Pioneer DEH series, running into the CD-CHANGER through an RB10. My SB16 was actually LOUDER than the Live thats in there now. strange.

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    thats why I am going with the Phillips Sessmic Card.... it has a higher level output (the output stage chips used can deliver upto 10V line out levels!!!!) which means lower gain settings and amps/pre-amps thus less induced noise/etc.....


    that BIOS hack for the level output on the SB16's there isnt a equilivent for SB128's? (they have the ensoniq chipset from memroy)....
    Project - GAME OVER :(

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    Cliff-

    I thing you're having a missunderstanding. TOS-LINK is a type of cable. It's fiber-optic. You've probably heard of SPDIF before. It comes in two forms. TOS-Link and co-axial. These are digital standards. Rather than running seperate RCA leads for front left, front right, rear left, rear right, sub, and center channels I run one SPDIF cable. Since I'm using TOS-LINK the optical version I don't have to worry about EMF or EMI and can run the wiring almost anywhere I want. The only catch is I can't make any tight turns with the cable. I chose the Pioneer DEX-9 is because it is the only Head Unit I can find that will accept optical inputs. (It's probably designed to accept that from a DVD player.)


    Magnetik -

    If I'm not mistaken thier is, but I'll be d%#@ed if I can remember what it is off the top of my head. Any reason your using the Ensoniq aside from the fact it's cheap?
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    Ok I think I get it, but I'm not sure if I want to rewire my whole system...can I use the TOS-LINK in place of my two RCA cables coming from my mp3 system?

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    Cliff -

    Actually I don't think you get it. See, most sound cards output in an analog format. Anything that can be directly wired to speakers is analog. I'm running digital to a processor that will break down the signals and then convert them to analog.

    It's not as simple as changing out the wiring. Unfortuantly it requires specalized equipment. I'm spending ALOT to be able to do this, more for my own amusement than any practical reason. For me it's all about how it sounds. That's why I'm willing to spend close to $900 for a head unit.
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    ok hehe, thanks for your patience with me then...I also want the best sound possible. And I think that the LOUDER the card is, the less interference the sound is going to pick up. Is the Fortismo a LOUD card? Is there a jumper setting on the LIVE to make it louder?

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    -80 gig hard drive
    -128 MB RAM
    -MPBS1 DC-DC PSU
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    -Media Engine & Windows XP
    -Playstation II also added
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    Ok, that's another misconception. No, the Live has no jumpers at all. It's all software driven. If you increase the gain to much on the output on the card, you'll clip your amps. Amps are designed to accept a specific voltage input. Your not increasing your voltage output on the jack when you up the volume. You're actually changing the amplitude of the audio wave. I recommend you take your audio system to a pro and let them tweak out your gain for you.
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    If he turns the volume up, isn't that increasing the amplitude, and therefore the peak voltage of the
    waveform? We are talking analog output here, right? I thought that an audio signal consisted of a distinct sin/cos waveform pattern and there was no specified output voltage, but rather a varying output voltage depending on where the peaks of the waveform occurred.

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