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    Quote Originally Posted by samantech View Post
    I got from your post that maybe you are not a mac user. actually it is so stable, so easy to work with and so impressive that really some people readily lose some features but although lacking some in carputer, it's so cool.

    1. the sleep and wake up problem almost doesn't exist in a mac carputer. I've had a powerbook for 4 years now and I have never had the problem of hibernating or standing by. Now for more portability, I use a 12 inch HP tablet and everytime I have lots of issues. Sometimes it sounds in my back pack.
    2. it works with wireless peripheral like a breeze. I've never had the problem of recognizing or not recognizing my keyboard and mouse or my sony erricson telephone.
    3. I think the universal remote control that comes with every mac makes a great car remote controller for multimedia.
    4. Frontrow looks and effects are amazing. no one can tell that you can make the same in a pc.
    5. Being a Unix Based (FreeBSD) core system, it's so stable, so cpu efficient that Microsoft products are losing everyday. No one is talking about putting a Vista in his car because no matter how much you put in your system, it's just not enough. Putting aside that some effects are a mere immitation of mac.
    6. If you install a VLC player you can almost watch any format. Of course I use GOM Player in Windows and it is damn good but Multimedia experience in Mac is something else.

    7. Check the network location in a mac. you can make tens of location and network settings and from one place to the other, stay connected by a mouse click.

    The list really goes on....
    However, being a SUV owner, I know GPS support is not something we all can ignore among other things. Windows has lots of programs out there.

    So up to now, as we are talking and I am still deciding myself. I think a intel based Apple product like mac mini is the best because you can switch to Windows or boot from Windows whenever you need to. and just whenever you really need to.
    A car computing environment is different from using one on your desktop and Windows XP works extremely well in the car. I've heard from many users that Vista also works well.

    The USB and sleep/wake problems you cite are the result of the many and varied hardware configurations on the PC side. You don't see it with Apple because you don't have too many choices for configurations.

    The solution is to buy a PC configuration that works properly, not necessarily to decide the OS is to blame. It is a matter of combining the right hardware for the PC. Apple does this for you, which is nice. For some people.

    Wireless peripherals shouldn't be a problem with good quality hardware either.

    As for efficiency, you need to back that up with numbers. But even if you do, why do I care if it takes 5% more cycles for my car PC to display a DVD as long as it doesn't skip? Not to mention that the demands on the processor in the car are not usually too demanding for a modern CPU.

    Before you think I'm slamming Macs, look at my system configuration. I run a Mac in my car. But I also have run Windows and am in the process of building a Windows system to take advantage of the breadth and depth of car PC software and hardware that is Windows only. Why not buy an Intel Mini? It's cheaper to build it myself because I've got enough bits and pieces laying around to do it for a song. I'm even considering turning it into a Hackintosh for kicks.

    I understand why you prefer Macs to Windows, I do too, but you really have to separate the in car environment from broader considerations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    A car computing environment is different from using one on your desktop and Windows XP works extremely well in the car. I've heard from many users that Vista also works well.

    The USB and sleep/wake problems you cite are the result of the many and varied hardware configurations on the PC side. You don't see it with Apple because you don't have too many choices for configurations.

    The solution is to buy a PC configuration that works properly, not necessarily to decide the OS is to blame. It is a matter of combining the right hardware for the PC. Apple does this for you, which is nice. For some people.

    Wireless peripherals shouldn't be a problem with good quality hardware either.

    As for efficiency, you need to back that up with numbers. But even if you do, why do I care if it takes 5% more cycles for my car PC to display a DVD as long as it doesn't skip? Not to mention that the demands on the processor in the car are not usually too demanding for a modern CPU.

    Before you think I'm slamming Macs, look at my system configuration. I run a Mac in my car. But I also have run Windows and am in the process of building a Windows system to take advantage of the breadth and depth of car PC software and hardware that is Windows only. Why not buy an Intel Mini? It's cheaper to build it myself because I've got enough bits and pieces laying around to do it for a song. I'm even considering turning it into a Hackintosh for kicks.

    I understand why you prefer Macs to Windows, I do too, but you really have to separate the in car environment from broader considerations.

    I bought my first Apple product which was a powerbook almost four years ago with a 1.2 Ghz of Powerpc Cpu. I was running Panther. After a while I upgraded to Tiger with all those blows and whistles. And now that Leopard is available, I upgraded to Leopard and still I am working with my laptop without problems. I wish it was a little bit faster but it really does the job. I am not going to install a benchmark maker or refer to numbers given by vendors to promote their own products but it really works.

    You mentioned that apple just works because it chooses the hardware too. I have tried pre-packed products like PC notebooks from different vendors including sony, hp, dell, etc and all are similar because of Windows.

    Have you ever tried to eject your usb storage and windows says you can't? and you are sure that no file is being used and no windows is open.

    I am using Windows everyday if not mac. Our company servers are all hp running Windows 2003, my own laptop is hp right now writing this post and my company desktop is windows. I assembe tens of pcs everyweek for fellow workers. I am not going to deny Windows being Ubiquitous. They are everywhere, so are the threats and support of software for them. But there are many people who wants systems to work in their car and are not as creative as you and I am to look for bits and cpus around the house to make a full-featured PC.

    Thank you all for the reading. next posts I try to be more car pc focused and informative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samantech View Post
    You mentioned that apple just works because it chooses the hardware too. I have tried pre-packed products like PC notebooks from different vendors including sony, hp, dell, etc and all are similar because of Windows.
    Prepackaged PC's are still not the same. Microsoft would have to pick out components and manufacture the final product for that comparison to work. Just curious when was the last time you had a Windows blue screen that was caused by Windows and not some 3rd party driver/software?


    Quote Originally Posted by samantech View Post
    Have you ever tried to eject your usb storage and windows says you can't? and you are sure that no file is being used and no windows is open.

    I've had problems with OSX when copying over a network. If the link is cut, OSX would lose the destination AND the source files... something that they fixed in Tiger yet resurfaced in Leopard... Every OS has it's problems, Microsoft just doesn't shove out 500 meg downloads every few months to fix their problems.

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    Every OS had its own problems. but not every day, every minute problems.

    and yes I accept that Microsoft has a difficult job matching all those components on the market or vice versa. but let's talk about feature sets:

    Do you consider Windows as modern?
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    If you are bashing windows, you obviously are just going with the hype. I have had osx crash big time before and xp crash.

    Windows is a good product. They made a stupid choice with Vista, but to idiots that have never used a computer before, they embrace its simpleness.

    I have many PCs. I have one XP box that has not been restarted in over 3 years. Still running XP, no service packs. Always responsive, always works. I do not see crashes everyday. I have worked on macs before that crashed all the time, and usually in the middle of writing an essay.

    Point is, every OS has its faults. Microsoft made a better one. More people use it. More companies use it. More developers use it. With the big developer backing, more programs are made for it. As with all programs some are junk, and some dont play nice with others. It is a fact of life the more stuff you put together the probability of something not working goes up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleDragon View Post
    Kinda right but kinda not. I call myself an OSX user but not a Mac user. I'm very familiar with the OS and actually quite like it but I can not stand Apple as a company and frankly, I find a lot of mac users to be quite smug and hypocritical. My Dell laptop costs hundreds less than a comparable mac and can do everything a mac can. It runs OSX 10.5.2 as it's main OS and also has partitions for XP/Vista/KDE4.

    But really, don't let your preference of OS dictate your choice of a front end. I never have any issues with sleep or stability but then again, I'm using Server 2003 rather than XP or Vista. If you want something stable, why choose a desktop OS? Believe me, I've had my share of kernel panics with Leopard.
    agree 100%. I have a desktop quad booting at the moment now too (XP/Vista/OSX/Fedora) so I am no stranger to the "mac" world. I however dont use the osx partition much anymore, easier in xp almost every time.

    But I refuse outright to buy any Apple product. No iPod, iPhone, iMac, iCrap, whatever. I cannot stand their busienss model, and every time I see their mac vs. pc ads, it makes my blood boil and even more so when I realize that people believe that crap. I see rebuttal ads play in my head.

    And I have been saying for a while now, pick a frontend. Whatever OS it runs on, use it. I see the XP desktop in my car for about a half second before RR's splash screen covers most of it, and another 1 to 2 seconds before RR is fullscreen and playing music.
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    Just like how PC stability would go up if MS picked and produced complete machines, OSX's stability would go down... way down if Apple actually allowed other manufacturers to build clones. I don't think Apple would even have the resources to make OSX work with every piece of hardware out there.


    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    But I refuse outright to buy any Apple product. No iPod, iPhone, iMac, iCrap, whatever. I cannot stand their busienss model, and every time I see their mac vs. pc ads, it makes my blood boil and even more so when I realize that people believe that crap. I see rebuttal ads play in my head.

    Yeah, I like OSX and think it's a great OS for people who don't know much about computers or are just plain careless with their surfing. But really they don't have the marketshare for hackers and virus makers to care. There was a report put out 6 months ago that showed OSX had had 5x the security flaws that Windows had and most of them were critical. The report was basically Tiger vs XP AND Vista (Leopard was still new and Vista had been out for about a year). Think of the mac community as a little neighborhood that left their doors unlocked because the baddies tend to leave them alone but all it takes is one guy to have a field day.

    I hate Apple as a company and to me, their products are nothing more than fashion items. They are not innovative like people think. They take existing products, put them in some shiny packaging and market them as trendy/cool... Mac fans lap it up. Their computers, especially now that they're using Intel chips are nothing more than overpriced PC's. The iPod wasn't the first MP3 player around, it's just the most popular and has mediocre sound quality. What part of the iPhone did they invent? The touchscreen? Mobile phone portion? Tell you the truth, it's horrible as a phone. The Macbook Air... take something like a Lenovo X series, take out the useful stuff like optical drives and ports.. voila.. Macbook Air. Even OSX is repackaged FreeBSD, a FREE operating system.

    The Mac vs PC's are full of lies but to the fans, Apple can do no wrong. Hypocrites... They cry foul when MS packages IE with Windows but it's okay when I have to around removing Safari that was shoved onto people's PC's as a part of some iTunes update. They yell monopoly but it's okay when they pretty much own the MP3 player market. I've met some cool mac users but they weren't the type to praise anything and use the right tool for the job.


    I can go on forever but I think I'm done for now


    Quote Originally Posted by samantech View Post
    Do you consider Windows as modern?
    Yeah considering most of the cutting edge PC technologies comes first on the Wintel platform. If there's anything out there that pushes the boundaries of what computers can do, it's gaming. If all we do with computers is internet surfing, email, spreadsheets, etc then 5 year old technology is good enough for another 5 years before we need extra processing power. Games and gaming hardware is much more widely available for PC's. Macs usually have to wait for a translation that'll run properly with their generally weak graphics power.

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    @2k1toaster - i know a lot of mac users (such as myself) who can't stand those insipid mac vs. pc commercials. ironically I work with some PC users who love them...

    I also definitely agree with you that the OS does not matter. its all about the FE. Many of the mac users in the Maccar forum disagree and I can't quite wrap my head around it. I think a rally well designed FE should make it hard for passengers in your car to tell that it is running on a home computer yet alone if it is running on a PC or Mac

    Im using a mac in my car mostly because I wanted to write my own FE and I am very good at programming for os x but no next to nothing about windows programming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LittleDragon View Post
    There was a report put out 6 months ago that showed OSX had had 5x the security flaws that Windows had and most of them were critical. The report was basically Tiger vs XP AND Vista (Leopard was still new and Vista had been out for about a year). Think of the mac community as a little neighborhood that left their doors unlocked because the baddies tend to leave them alone but all it takes is one guy to have a field day.
    very much so.

    I think it was that same article that had the time to respond too. Microsoft has released a patch for a security flaw within 20 days since 2000 or something, while apple still hasnt fixed many holes reported months and months and months ago, and did not even say they were working on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samantech View Post
    Do you consider Windows as modern?
    Actually, I don't care. I consider Windows XP as a perfectly acceptable OS for the car. So is OSX.

    The internal combustion engine isn't 'modern' but they sure have done a lot of engineering to make it more efficient and reliable. Same with both XP and OSX.

    I don't necessarily agree with all of the Apple bashers. I'm no computer idiot but I prefer OSX. So what? 2K1 knows better how to do stuff in other OS's and has no need for OSX. Again, so what?

    Unless you are doing something completely different, it is the FE that matters. And Windows FE's are more advanced than Apple ones. Probably always will be due to the overwhelming support and development for Windows. Again, so what? Run the one you want - its your project.

    Just make sure you aren't perpetuating the myths out there.
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