Shopping for SSD, any particular brands?

**strikeback03** · 06-23-2009, 01:07 PM

And by the same token there are slow SLC SSDs. Basically, SSds are still a market where you more or less get what you pay for. The well-engineered MLC SSDs (basically the Intel drives and the Indilinx models such as OCZ Vertex, Super Talent UltraDriveMX, G.Skill Falcon, and a few others) have proven to be good performers at prices which are not completely in the stratosphere. The JMicron drives (most, including the Patriot Warp models) have stuttering issues. Also, some of the enterprise-level SLC drives are designed for reliability, not speed, so they are still not all that fast.

**Punky** · 06-23-2009, 02:39 PM

I'm running a 32gb patriot on my brother's car right now, it boots quite fast, but i'm almost sure thats win7 not the ssd. This is the 3rd drive i've gotten for RMA since i bought it. I works fine during warm summer days, but as soon as the drive runs below -5*C it fail totally and will not work again. I'm running it temporarily for the summer until i can afford a couple of OCZ vertex. As for the performance, as an MLC drive, it has no noticeable difference compared to my old 7200RPM hard drive, no problem installing windows, no problem installing programs, no small file shuttering, but it has hella good shock absorbance and vibrations tolerance.

**HiJackZX1** · 06-23-2009, 03:21 PM

Well in the end I may either go for a SLC or just a regular 2.5 HDD. Right now I'm just not feeling the price and I dont see a huge difference in speed. My setup will have 6 additional PC system and I think its easier to just use 2.5 HDDs and have them setup for EWF and HORM. That way all the drives are doing is reading and writing to RAM. Im still not sure if I want to do the EWF and HORM on my main system, due to the fact I am constantly tweeking it. In the end though I think I will use EWF and HORM on that one also. Im just worried that the main system will be slower when running graphical stuff, which is what the main system does alot of.

**Punky** · 06-23-2009, 03:55 PM

I don't see the need for ssd if you don't have temperature and vibration issues. In a carpc setup speed isn't important as long as it's roughly the same as a regular hard drive.

**HiJackZX1** · 06-23-2009, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Punky

I don't see the need for ssd if you don't have temperature and vibration issues. In a carpc setup speed isn't important as long as it's roughly the same as a regular hard drive.

I agree and thats why I decided to not make it a big deal. On my Main CarPC the cooling system is so extreme that if you touch the HDD even while on, its ice cold. The other systems wont be affected either because the cases and MoBo are designed for passive cooling, so a simple fan can keep all the HDD cool. Also bumps are so rare, I mean like big giant bumps. I just see no point. For $21.00 i can buy a 5400RPM 40GB 2.5 Sata HDD. So X 7, thats $147.00 dollars for drives that hold the OS and program files. Then I have 250GB Toshiba thats holding my media. I think what I am going to do is retire the $h!++y Patriot SSD and use it only to hold my image files of the computers and installers. Thats about all its good for.

**nobb** · 06-23-2009, 08:23 PM

That's disappointing that the OCZ cannot function properly in the cold, I guess I will hold off buying one until I can get a more definitive answer on what will work. That is a deal breaker for me.

As for stuttering, that was mainly an issue with the first generation of SSDs, not really too much of a concern with the newer controllers such as Indilinx in the Vertex series. But I did read an article saying how performance will degrade over time (which may require a format to fix)...not sure how much of a concern that is for now.

**Punky** · 06-23-2009, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by nobb

That's disappointing that the OCZ cannot function properly in the cold, I guess I will hold off buying one until I can get a more definitive answer on what will work. That is a deal breaker for me.

As for stuttering, that was mainly an issue with the first generation of SSDs, not really too much of a concern with the newer controllers such as Indilinx in the Vertex series. But I did read an article saying how performance will degrade over time (which may require a format to fix)...not sure how much of a concern that is for now.

I think you misread my post, the patriot performs poorly in cold, the OCZ I'm hoping would work better.

**nobb** · 06-23-2009, 09:33 PM

Ooooh...my bad, I meant to type Patriot. I also noticed one other user saying another brand of SSD (I think it was Mtron) also had cold weather problems, so at this point I am weary on dumping $200 into a drive.

**2k1Toaster** · 06-23-2009, 09:42 PM

Something to add here is that the faster things are the more dependent they are on being temperature stabalized. Consumer markets are 0C to 40C, and that is what most are made for. Anything outside that is pricey to get reliable.

I've built temperature stabilized logic circuits out of transistors on a breadboard (the big ones!

) and it takes 3 times the amount of chips to offset each transistor to keep it stable over a good range of temperature. So a chip that takes say 2 transistors to work logically, would take 8 or more to do the same thing over a good temp. range. This is extremely expensive obviously, so you really do get what you pay for.

If you are worried about temperature, get industrial spec'd ones but they are going to be slower and a lot more expensive.

**nobb** · 06-23-2009, 09:53 PM

That's an interesting point you bring up. The general consensus around here in regards to getting our carpc's working in the winter is to buy solid state, but obviously even with SSDs, this is not always true. I know many people are lucky enough to live somewhere more temperate, but this has been a huge problem Ive had to consider when designing my system.

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