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    It all about the system and devices you connect to it. I had a VIA M10000 and it was the worse PC I have ever owned, period. Once I upgraded to the AMD based IEI KINO-690S1, I was very happy until I started to add devices. I had to buy tons of devices till I found one that could hibernate and wake up correctly. You also have to tweak your OS. With my OS tweaked and 20+ USB devices, I still get a cold boot time of about 20 seconds, which is good for such a massive system. Hibernation is about 8 seconds, most of which is used by the MoBo checking all the USB devices. The CarPC is a hobby, and a expensive one. You cant expect it to be cheap, and the ones that do say so, will eventually put their feet in their mouths. I think its a great hobby and although I am not rich, I have already sunk $4,000.00 into my Car PC, with $6,000.00 more to go on more upgrades. What keeps me going is the grand end result. If your looking for something that you just throw into your car and call it a day, it ain't happening with a Car PC, it takes alot of research and trial and error, and because no Car PC is the same, everyone has to do their own unique tweaking and what not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    ... I have already sunk $4,000.00 into my Car PC, with $6,000.00 more to go on more upgrades. ....
    Just wow. You've already spent more than my car is worth lol

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    As others have noted it is a hobby and hobbies are rife with headaches and imperfections.....doubt if this one is any different but you can knock down the bulk of them (weird power supply problems,dim touchscreens in the sun, less than stellar boot times) with different choices and configurations.....just try not to knock it others here have made it work to their satisfaction with a lot of work, just stick with it. (As an aside from a cold boot my JVC deck takes 5 seconds before it is accessible for choosing songs or even adjusting the volume and probably 7 to 8 seconds to read a mp3 cd with roughly 50 (320 kbs encoded or wave) files before playing. A 15-20 second wait for 100s' or even 1000s' of songs is not unreasonable.....takes me that long to get out of my subdivision and I don't play my music at all till I leave the neighborhood)
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    Think about it this way; it could be a lot worse. Through installing my carpc I have bricked 3 or 4 screens at ~$350 each. I now have things the way I want them, but for a carpc enthusiast the process of upgrading and tweaking the system is never truly done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpinkerton View Post
    Just wow. You've already spent more than my car is worth lol
    LOL, me and some friends were joking about that. They were saying that I should have got a BMW or AUDI and I was telling them that once my system was done, none of those would have been able to do what I am doing either. I have to say though, its been fun but at some times so bad that I have almost given up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pathos View Post
    As others have noted it is a hobby and hobbies are rife with headaches and imperfections.....doubt if this one is any different but you can knock down the bulk of them (weird power supply problems,dim touchscreens in the sun, less than stellar boot times) with different choices and configurations.....just try not to knock it others here have made it work to their satisfaction with a lot of work, just stick with it. (As an aside from a cold boot my JVC deck takes 5 seconds before it is accessible for choosing songs or even adjusting the volume and probably 7 to 8 seconds to read a mp3 cd with roughly 50 (320 kbs encoded or wave) files before playing. A 15-20 second wait for 100s' or even 1000s' of songs is not unreasonable.....takes me that long to get out of my subdivision and I don't play my music at all till I leave the neighborhood)
    I agree with this 100%, were there is a will, there is a way. I didn't have many sun problems because of the way my truck is, but to help even more I am having the front windows tinted and the back seat windows almost 100% blacked out. PSU issue, buy a premium PSU like OPUS. I use 2 of them in my install and I am very happy. Boot times, as explained, tweak the OS and play around.

    Quote Originally Posted by ajscomp372 View Post
    Think about it this way; it could be a lot worse. Through installing my carpc I have bricked 3 or 4 screens at ~$350 each. I now have things the way I want them, but for a carpc enthusiast the process of upgrading and tweaking the system is never truly done.
    I hear you, the $4000.00 figure also includes stuff I have bricked and or could not use, which was about $1500.00. All that is because I didn't research. Now that I have got better at it, I have been able to buy things and not waste anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Injector View Post
    1. i guess everyone has their opinions but 15 secs for me is not that long, my car-pc takes 16 secs to boot from hibernate, by the time i put on my seat belt and press the clutch music starts playing, cold boot takes 45 seconds by the time i finish reversing music starts playing, as DP said you can always resort to standby which might give you 5 second boots, just keep in mind i have seen alpine avic units that take about 30 secs to boot while it loads.

    2. the daylight thing i'm not touching but if you did custom fabbing you could have resed the screen or angled it so the sun wouldn't hit it so bad.

    3. as far as syncing the touch, you can configure itunes to sync automatically then just point your front end to the itunes folder (c:\docs and setts\user\my docs\my music\itunes), that way when the touch syncs your front end will sync

    4.as far as sorting just configure itunes to sort your music the way you want it to that way the front end only reads and itunes does the hard work.

    5. as far as the wireless sync, what do you use? i use goodsync it monitors my wireless network when my car-pc connects goodsync detects the network folder and syncs the car-pc with my server, when it finishes it sends a net send message to my car-pc so i know it's done.

    6. for physical control you can use a rotary control with fusion brain, or use a griffin powermate.
    http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/powermate/

    7.the volume thing has been answered

    8. you can use a usb cd player, even better you can mold it into the dash, but the whole point of a car-pc is to not have to use a cd player, i molded 2 usb ports into my dash so that i could use a thumb drive instead of cds, you don't have to mold them you could just buy this in the cig lighter
    http://store.mp3car.com/Automotive_M..._p/com-040.htm
    For goodsync, how fast do your files update. When I used the Windows Live Sync it wasn't going about like 150kb... When I looked at the goodsync it showed a version for usb. Is there anyway I could make it so that I could use a small usb thumb drive and any new song I put on the drive the second I put it into the usb slot uploaded to the folder? That would make thinks easier if the wireless Is going to be this slow.

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    goodsync will sync your usb drive you just have to tell it what drive and what folder to sync, as far as my speed the highest i got was about 900kbs, depending whether or not i have my windows/trunk open because i have formula 1 tint that has metal in it.

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    The best things about a CarPC is that everything is customizable, and just about anything is doable. Don't like the front end? Make a new one. Want it to control other things in your car? Program interfaces (or find other people's solutions) so it does. Sure you could throw money at the problem, but that's not the only solution. In the end it's always going take gobs of time (and frustration as you figure out problems) to get the job done right... especially if you have specific tastes. But in the end you have something that's perfect for you. Who cares what other people think -- it's yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdawg View Post
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    I just don't get it, I've built all of my computers and I am going into it for my major but I just can't seem to get a handle on this. I started this project with the love of doing something with my car that deals with computers and It has quickly turned into a nightmare. I don't really like any of the frontends or anything. I like features but at the same time for this application and being in the car with lots of distractions I wanted something a little more simpler. The Kenwood just does what I want for my car needs so why should I try to put anymore time into this? I'm not saying I couldn't get it working to a degree of how I want it because I am very capable but I just don't see the outcome being worth the time and effort when there is something that will be everything I Want already.
    you do make a couple good points. the fact is you dont want any extra distractions in a car at all, and a car pc in theory is supposed to help things but at the same time it is a computer... and i hear ya on the install pains... to hack up a dash bezel and install everything for a carpc is many times barely worth the cost of the damn car itself.

    as someone already said, the best frontend is windows desktop. the reason is you are used to it. use the computer thats in your car like the one you normally use everyday, and the distraction becomes a lot less. plus if youre just using windows media center and all the built in software you rarely have any application problems like you do with frontend stuff.

    the only downside is you will use your touchscreen function a lot less. its not always a bad thing though, just fit a rollerball or laptop mousepad in the center console and its usually easier then touch anyway.

    for tagging and managing music libraries, jrmediacenter or the free jrmediajukebox are fantastic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trader007 View Post
    you do make a couple good points. the fact is you dont want any extra distractions in a car at all, and a car pc in theory is supposed to help things but at the same time it is a computer... and i hear ya on the install pains... to hack up a dash bezel and install everything for a carpc is many times barely worth the cost of the damn car itself.

    as someone already said, the best frontend is windows desktop. the reason is you are used to it. use the computer thats in your car like the one you normally use everyday, and the distraction becomes a lot less. plus if youre just using windows media center and all the built in software you rarely have any application problems like you do with frontend stuff.

    the only downside is you will use your touchscreen function a lot less. its not always a bad thing though, just fit a rollerball or laptop mousepad in the center console and its usually easier then touch anyway.

    for tagging and managing music libraries, jrmediacenter or the free jrmediajukebox are fantastic.
    I agree with most of your statement, but I completely disagree with the statement that Windows by itself is the best way to go. Yes a front end requires you to tweak a bit, but so did the hardware aspect, so tweaking alittle more isnt that big of a deal. Windows is not touch screen friendly especially on a 7 - 8 inch screen. I use Centrafuse and it combines everything into one easy to use area. Mind you it does require some setting adjustments, but most of the time it will auto configure most popular things. I use alot of plugins and methods not normally used, so my software tweak took a bit more time. It is 100% dreadful when I have to try to configure something in Windows. I had to keep a hand held mouse laying around in order to fix things. Thankfully now I have a media center remote for sling box on the rear seats, so it has a built in mouse and buttons.

    If you need a easy to setup front end, then CF is the way to go. Ride Runner is also very good, but I find it to be more geared towards advanced users that have the time to tweak. There is also the new REV (CarPal) front end and a few others. Street Deck sucks dirty @$$ so stay away from that one.
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