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    You will never get a carpc as reliable as a HU, that will never happens. A home made carpc is too complex and its too patchy for it to beat a highly integrated HU.
    I disagree. I would be very hesitant to say "never" about anything. It's just not wise.

    You are correct today about CarPC's because today they are computers. It requires special integration of the OS + user-space software and the hardware to make it more like an appliance. This will happen, it just wont' happen with the software most people use today (windows XP + frontend).

    BMW, VW, and other car manufacturers are waking up to the power and profit to be gained from computers in the car. The difference won't be hardware (or at least very slight difference), it will be the software. Intel is building a carpc OS for BMW which is based upon moblin. BMW is not stupid and in many cases they lead the industry in this area (technology). They will be running an atom based system in their cars with a Linux based operating system. That's a HU, but it's also a carPC.

    The issue today is that it requires lots of time. Users usually end up installing XP, then installing all the other software (XPort, GPS Nav, Drivers, etc, etc), then finally the frontend. Then they tweak them all endlessly (it seems) so they work right. To make it worse, when you screw up XP because you were trying to tweak it to boot-faster or whatever, you end up having to do the whole process over again. It sucks and takes too much time for most people.

    That's one of the big reasons I created LinuxICE. Because the OS should be transparent and everything else should be ready to run. The idea is, you install the OS (which process is much faster than a traditional windows setup), you add your music, video and you run it. All the drivers are already installed, it's already setup to boot fast, it updates *all* the software automatically, and only requires "tweaking" if you really want to.

    Anyway, my point is, that the user experience isn't necessarily how you describe, and it will get better.

    Admittedly, this forum is the wrong place to look for the ultimate user experience. I thought LinuxICE would be a huge boon to the people and they'd drop windows XP + [Frontend] and move to LinuxICE. I expected that LinuxICE would grow to a large development team of volunteers from this forum. The problem is, people don't know/are unwilling to learn Linux. Furthermore, the guys that do know Linux usually love the tweaking and stuff themselves, so a specialized OS doesn't appeal to them.

    If you love tweaking, this forum and hobby is for you. If you just want to use amazing technology, buy a device from dashbaorddevices.com or the like which offers XP+CF preinstalled and preconfigured (with restore capabilities) and just run it. I wouldn't doubt that you'll see LinuxICE based pre-installs on hardware in the future as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JS8531 View Post
    Why take so long? is not as if you are developing your own hardware/software.
    Heh, this amuses me.


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    You will never get a carpc as reliable as a HU, that will never happens.
    People said the same thing about fuel injected cars and carburetors.

    Quote Originally Posted by JS8531 View Post
    Like I said, even a hardcore carpc person would lose interest sooner or later. The novelty values wear outs, they would soon realise they just want a unit that does what it says on the tin, no other fancy gimick, just the stuff they really needs. You install it and forget about it, switch on the radio and it plays music. They move on with life and concentrate on other things thats more important to them. And not spend 10 years trying to put the perfect PC in the car
    THAT, is precisely why you won't last long in this hobby,and why I've been doing it since I started driving. Making a statement like that shows that you don't have the drive for the hobby, because you can't possibly understand why people would keep doing it regardless. To you, this is a means to an end. The end being to get a reliable stable carpc that can function as a multi-purpose headunit. To me (and many others like me) this is a hobby. The purpose is not to get an installed unit, the purpose is to have fun.

    I hope you don't take offense to me picking apart your post like this but I feel that making generalizations about this hobby and how everyone handles it is impossible, and generally detrimental to the community.
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    The end being to get a reliable stable carpc that can function as a multi-purpose headunit. To me (and many others like me) this is a hobby. The purpose is not to get an installed unit, the purpose is to have fun.
    Mal nailed the point of the hobby (and many hobbies in general) dead on. There is a high level of satisfaction that you get when you put in a lot of work into something and see it succeed in the end. It feels good. And makes any difficulties worth it. Because when was anything easy really worth doing? Not to mention people have fun figuring out problems and coming up with solutions that are innovative and unique.
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    LOL what I meant was HiJackZX1 will never get the reliabilty of HU by merely putting things together by himself, it is a PC after all. I highly integrated carpc will never be called a carpc because it is no longer a PC. Its very unlikely to develop such a unit at home.

    But seriously, in the search of this perfect PC how many years are you willing to put down on this? 20 years?

    At this moment, big manufacturer are not interested in mass producing HUs thats capable of what a carpc can do. Just a matter of time this hobby will no longer be called carpc. Because it wont be carpc anymore that we will be installing. Why install a carpc when theres a unit that just bolts on and it would do it all right.

    Only things that will keep hobbyist is maybe flash the firmware, change the skin, wire it up nicely. Well I dunno if thats call a hobby now. There is always someone whos going to go beyond that, but for the majority, it be a install and forget. Get a newer unit if you get fed up with it.

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    You still don't get it. Many of the longer standing members on this forum are not in search of the perfect PC. They are experimenters and innovators who are working with PC's in the mobile environment to see how far they can take the experience. There is no "finish line".

    There are numerous problems that must be solved and each time one is solved, other questions and problems arise. Using the PC is necessary because it provides the flexibility necessary to conduct the experiments. New hardware and new software opens new possibilities.

    Take a look at what was being done on this forum 10 years ago (single line LCD readouts and mp3's) and what is being done now. Huge difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiJackZX1 View Post
    oops, my bad, lol

    let me go change that so people think [HL]your[/HL] crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post

    THAT, is precisely why you won't last long in this hobby,and why I've been doing it since I started driving. Making a statement like that shows that you don't have the drive for the hobby, because you can't possibly understand why people would keep doing it regardless. To you, this is a means to an end. The end being to get a reliable stable carpc that can function as a multi-purpose headunit. To me (and many others like me) this is a hobby. The purpose is not to get an installed unit, the purpose is to have fun.

    I hope you don't take offense to me picking apart your post like this but I feel that making generalizations about this hobby and how everyone handles it is impossible, and generally detrimental to the community.
    No offence taken,

    How long you been driving? like I said earlier, it just a matter of time the drive will wear out. Things will evolve and it will no longer be worth designing things.

    If let say in 10 years time, we have HU unit with all the things you want. Would you still be putting a home made carpc in your car? You do realise that years ago electronics folks used to build their own radio and put it in their car. But why bother now when you can buy a HU so cheap and it would perform a million times better. People use to build a carpc to play mp3 controlled by buttons with LCD via parallel port, thats how this hobby started. But why bother with all that when you can buy an ipod or something similiar and it would do just the same thing but a million times better.

    Just putting things in the car is hardly called a hobby, hobby is something you are very involved in, well thats how I define my hobby anyway. Its like assembling a furniture bought from ikea and then call that a hobby

    Saying all that, Im still very involved in designing HW for car PC, I dont just put things together. I know it just a matter of time that I will no longer be involved in what Im doing, a switch to different area of this HW/SW would keep me busy. But I will certainly tell you that in the future, what I do now will no longer be worth the time and effort.

    But the question is for how long Im able to do this when things can be bought offshelf? just a matter of time realy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    You still don't get it. Many of the longer standing members on this forum are not in search of the perfect PC. They are experimenters and innovators who are working with PC's in the mobile environment to see how far they can take the experience. There is no "finish line".

    There are numerous problems that must be solved and each time one is solved, other questions and problems arise. Using the PC is necessary because it provides the flexibility necessary to conduct the experiments. New hardware and new software opens new possibilities.

    Take a look at what was being done on this forum 10 years ago (single line LCD readouts and mp3's) and what is being done now. Huge difference.
    A dedicated mp3 player was hardly around then, and hence people make it from scrap PC. Where is that hobby now? Someone who just want to listen to music would just buy a HU with mp3 player end of, LOL.

    I though there was a post here made by the owner saying carPC is dead because there is the iphone. Well I dont entirely agree with that but I can understand where they comming from.

    The iphone could easily evolved in a HU like unit with docking station for the car. That surely will affect the carpc community. Im not to sure if people should still call puting such a unit in their car a hobby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JS8531 View Post
    How long you been driving? like I said earlier, it just a matter of time the drive will wear out. Things will evolve and it will no longer be worth designing things.
    10 years. It will NEVER be no longer worth designing something new.

    Quote Originally Posted by JS8531 View Post
    If let say in 10 years time, we have HU unit with all the things you want. Would you still be putting a home made carpc in your car?
    No, I'd likely be putting something new and different in my car. Again, it will never not be worth designing something new.

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    You do realise that years ago electronics folks used to build their own radio and put it in their car.
    And you do realize that the same people who used to build their own radio and put it in their car, and now building carpc's and putting them in their cars. Carputers are not the end-all device, but right now they're the center of the hobby.

    Quote Originally Posted by JS8531 View Post
    People use to build a carpc to play mp3 controlled by buttons with LCD via parallel port, thats how this hobby started. But why bother with all that when you can buy an ipod or something similiar and it would do just the same thing but a million times better.
    Sure, the ipod replaced the character LCD, but it hasnt replaced the carpc. When something does, then we'll talk (cept you won't still be in the hobby then I'm sure)

    Quote Originally Posted by JS8531 View Post
    Just putting things in the car is hardly called a hobby, hobby is something you are very involved in, well thats how I define my hobby anyway. Its like assembling a furniture bought from ikea and then call that a hobby
    "Just putting things in the car" You obviously have never done a full carpc install with all the bells and whistles. It's never done, and it's never as simple as just "putting things in a car". If it were, this forum wouldn't be nearly as popular and full of people asking questions and solving issues.

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    But the question is for how long Im able to do this when things can be bought offshelf? just a matter of time realy.
    How long until the newest innovation will be able to be bought off the shelf? Every day and every new innovation that gets pushed back another day. Once again you're entirely missing the point of the hobby. It's not to build a carpc to replace a headunit. It's to experiment and play around with different configurations of hardware and software trying new things. If carputers ever become like headunits, where you can go to the store and buy one for $300, I'm sure the hobby will evolve into something entirely new. Like it has been doing for the past 20 someodd years since people have been putting carputers in cars.


    I don't expect you to understand, you don't see this as a hobby, like I said before you see it as a means to an end.
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    May I ask how long you been driving and been involve in this carpc hobby?

    Are we talking about 1 year or 10 years? there is a big difference there.

    So after 10 years Im sure your hobby must have changed somehow?

    My hobby is mainly electronics and it has evolved, I started building crystal radio as a kid. No Im no longer doing that. I dont think carpc is a hobby on its own. People who are still into it are not just into carpc, its not possible to have a concentration of one thing though. Simply because it could get outdate?

    If you are so sure you be able to hold on to this hobby for another 50 years. Im hoping to check your username then to see if you still actively post in here. LOL

    Are you up for that?

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