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    Ah! bootchart I think is it. Kev000 will know for sure, because I know he's used the one I'm talking about before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post
    I think the new Ubuntu loads boot processes in parallel, which should speed things up as well. Perhaps try the beta of that?
    9.10 Alpha 6 is even slower than 9.04, it takes 58 seconds to cold boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hexxamillion View Post
    Too bad they cant all do that almost instant boot like the ASUS on the EEEPC.
    no. instant boot is way different. basically, its a hibernation done right after a fresh start. the problem is your shutdown times expand 10 fold, because when you turn it off, the pc shuts down, restarts, loads windows, and then hibernates. effectively, you have an instant-on fresh start then, but its not exactly ideal. this thread is about a true fast bios startup, no bs and no gimmicks.

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    Malcom2073: what you are saying is that the OS itself is not limiting, rather your knowledge of how to use it. There are many thing in Linux that are easier than windows. But yeah, if you don't know how to do it, I can see some frustration. It's definitely an overcome-able obstacle though.

    Machinehead: That's awesome that you tried it out! Ubuntu isn't known for it's fast boot speeds on a default install. At least 9.04 or older. 9.10 should be faster, but it's still in Alpha. Ubuntu's goal for boot on generic hardware is 10s with 10.04 which will be released next April. Many of the changes required for that will be in 9.10.

    LinuxICE boots faster than stock Ubuntu because it doesn't start everything that ubuntu does. However, boot speed isn't a goal for LinuxICE right now and I've been busy making it stable and easy to use rather than tweaking boot stuff. When we rebase off of 9.10 or 10.04, we'll automatically inherit awesome boot times, so I'm not terribly concerned right now.

    People usually mention ubuntu because it's easy to use for newcomers to Linux, which most people in this forum are.

    Finally, when you compare boot times with windows, you need to make you take into account, Linux will load all your drivers automagically. A fresh windows install won't have many of your drivers loaded and thus won't load them.

    I've attached my bootchart for LinuxICE2 in a VM. It says it's 30s, but I know it's faster on actual hardware. You'll see that disk i/o and CPU aren't utilized very well. I'll try to get an actual hardware representation sometime soon.


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    Take a look at DSL or one of the other "mini" distro's. You could also check out moblin2, it already boots fast. You'll have to add mono though because I don't think it comes default. In LinuxICE2, you'd just replace the line that launches nghost and icepanel with "mono openmobile.exe" and your in business.
    Good call...ill take a look at DSL....I don't mind having to hack things up a bit but ubuntu seemed to never get any faster no matter how much crap I stripped out

    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post
    Edit: Just noticed how that came across. I am in no way trying to slam on justchat_1, or say he doesn't know his way around Linux. The above is my personal opinion on why "I" find Linux limiting, his may be different.
    That came across fine-no worries.....and I think that actually sums it up pretty well

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    Machinehead: That's awesome that you tried it out! Ubuntu isn't known for it's fast boot speeds on a default install. At least 9.04 or older. 9.10 should be faster, but it's still in Alpha. Ubuntu's goal for boot on generic hardware is 10s with 10.04 which will be released next April. Many of the changes required for that will be in 9.10.

    LinuxICE boots faster than stock Ubuntu because it doesn't start everything that ubuntu does. However, boot speed isn't a goal for LinuxICE right now and I've been busy making it stable and easy to use rather than tweaking boot stuff. When we rebase off of 9.10 or 10.04, we'll automatically inherit awesome boot times, so I'm not terribly concerned right now.

    People usually mention ubuntu because it's easy to use for newcomers to Linux, which most people in this forum are.

    Finally, when you compare boot times with windows, you need to make you take into account, Linux will load all your drivers automagically. A fresh windows install won't have many of your drivers loaded and thus won't load them.
    This wasn't my first round up with Ubuntu. It made sense to install it in a VM so I could be accurate with the cold boot times. And I'm free to admit that cold boot times aren't the be all end all. Anything under 60 seconds works fine for my needs as long as I have the functionality I need.

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    So I tried out dsl...and xubuntu...and a stripped down version of ubuntu. Not happy with any of it - they made vista look slim and fast.

    DSL was small and lightweight but still too slow starting up and VERY unstable. So I switched gears and tried something else..... ReactOS, startup time <8 seconds on a vm. About 2-3 on real hardware. The only problem is its still not 100% ready to run mono.

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    ReactOS is also, unfortunately very unstable and very buggy. It also does not support very much in the way of drivers, so you're not likely to get much past simple media playback (if at all) on it. If it ever gets to the point of being a real OS, I think it could give windows a run for its money for a carpc, but they have a ways to go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post
    ReactOS is also, unfortunately very unstable and very buggy. It also does not support very much in the way of drivers, so you're not likely to get much past simple media playback (if at all) on it. If it ever gets to the point of being a real OS, I think it could give windows a run for its money for a carpc, but they have a ways to go.
    Well they use the windows driver model so any drivers that work on windows should work on reactOS. Of course, so far only usb device drivers work so yea they have a bit of work to do. But considering how stable it is in version 3 I would say this time next year it could be a windows killer. Of course i'm also hoping its stable enough to run mono by the end of next release but well see.

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    just my 2 cents...

    i have tried older macs, ubuntu(older version), and mostly work on xp machines..

    i have learned everything on xp, so, by default, it has become my os of choice(like so many others).

    i have to say that i do not like mac becaue it is(was when i had it)way more locked down than any other system out there, and my grandparents love the mac because of that, but from my perspective, not being able to easily adjust the settings compared to xp was what turned me off to them..

    i hated the ubuntu-- i had alot of trouble just getting it setup, but it was not the os's fault-- i very poor with command line interfaces, i know that it had alot of features, just couldn't figure them out... and so i tend to respect linux users more-- because they are way better programmers...

    i would have to say that each and every OS available fills a very specific area, and arguing about the best one is like trying to debate wheather chevy, ford or dodge make the best vehicles...there is no definite winner

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