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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin000
    Umm... if Linux boots faster, runs lighter, costs nothing and get's out of the way for the frontend/user interface, doesn't that make it better?
    No, as it is the total solution that matters - not just the OS.

    I need a frontend, GPS, OBDII interface, and a few more - bear in mind I don't want a generic OBDII dongle like the ELM, which displays only std data, but, something like the autoenginuity unit, which will display all 450 sensors on my car.

    Even though I luv Linux, for that reason my carputer will stay windows. It will be some years before that peripheral support is there for Linux in carputer environment - which is a shame, really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbean_phillip View Post
    No, as it is the total solution that matters - not just the OS.

    I need a frontend, GPS, OBDII interface, and a few more - bear in mind I don't want a generic OBDII dongle like the ELM, which displays only std data, but, something like the autoenginuity unit, which will display all 450 sensors on my car.

    Even though I luv Linux, for that reason my carputer will stay windows. It will be some years before that peripheral support is there for Linux in carputer environment - which is a shame, really.
    Wheres the "Close this thread because too many people are talking out of their ***" button? That was directed at a few posts not just this one...but i'll respond to this one anyway.

    You don't want a unit like the ELM? you would rather pay $250 + another $100-250 just because you can? First of all, the only difference is the price...my $20 ELM327 unit can read just as many sensors, and runs just as fast as any vehicles can bus-the only difference being it doesn't have a fancy name on it. That said, your talking about the most basic of devices, its a simple serial port interface. Any OS is capable of communicating with it the only variations are on the number of sensors supported. Linux and windows software both have pretty good support for not just OBD manufacturer specific messages (google it if you don't believe me) and i'm sure if there was an interest support could be added to the front ends.

    Oh...and i'm a windows guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    You don't want a unit like the ELM? you would rather pay $250 + another $100-250 just because you can? First of all, the only difference is the price...my $20 ELM327 unit can read just as many sensors, and runs just as fast as any vehicles can bus-the only difference being it doesn't have a fancy name on it

    Speaking of talking out of your ***... Perhaps you should look up exactly what the autoenguinuity device is, and for that matter what the ELM327 is. I think you are a bit confused.
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    the original post is talking about a specialized BIOS for fast booting, only as it happens to have win7 installed. I think the debate between windows and linux is rather pointless when it comes to boot time. At the end of the day, if you tweak the life out of any OS, chance are your boot time will be pretty good from the OS perspective, but the BIOS is always the same. Some bios no matter how hard u tweak it, it'll take like 10+ sec to even start the OS. So in my opinion, motherboard companies should spend more time tweaking their bios for better boot time instead. For some of us, there's alternative like S3 standby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post
    Speaking of talking out of your ***... Perhaps you should look up exactly what the autoenguinuity device is, and for that matter what the ELM327 is. I think you are a bit confused.
    Well considering autoenguinuity is a company that makes several devices I could be thinking of the wrong one...but since I don't think I am-do explain.....

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    @ Justchat_1:
    I made a comment to the unuseability of Linux at this particular point in time, due to a lack of support from the "other" companies out there.

    And yes, I do have an Elm 327, an Autoenginuity USB CAN dongle, as well as a Mongoose FEPS. And yes, the difference between the more expensive units, and the ELM 327, running on my car's CANbus at the native 500kbits is like night and day. You get what you pay for.

    So, stop talking out of your bottom, and do research before you throw your toys out of your cot.

    So, let's get back on-topic, shall we
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbean_phillip View Post
    @ Justchat_1:
    I made a comment to the unuseability of Linux at this particular point in time, due to a lack of support from the "other" companies out there.

    And yes, I do have an Elm 327, an Autoenginuity USB CAN dongle, as well as a Mongoose FEPS. And yes, the difference between the more expensive units, and the ELM 327, running on my car's CANbus at the native 500kbits is like night and day. You get what you pay for.

    So, stop talking out of your bottom, and do research before you throw your toys out of your cot.

    So, let's get back on-topic, shall we
    The Linux kernel has CANBus support built into it. I believe thanks to VW? What you are probably lacking is support for the software that reads the proprietary codes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbean_phillip View Post
    @ Justchat_1:
    I made a comment to the unuseability of Linux at this particular point in time, due to a lack of support from the "other" companies out there.
    And that comment was untrue-what you meant to say was that your "chosen" software did not support linux.

    Quote Originally Posted by mrbean_phillip View Post
    And yes, I do have an Elm 327, an Autoenginuity USB CAN dongle, as well as a Mongoose FEPS. And yes, the difference between the more expensive units, and the ELM 327, running on my car's CANbus at the native 500kbits is like night and day. You get what you pay for.

    So, stop talking out of your bottom, and do research before you throw your toys out of your cot.
    Well i guess if hand holding or not having to spend 5mins reading up on a product is what you consider "the difference" then who am i to judge. But this from a computer engineer, you either cant spend 5 mins reading or your imagining things. 500kb/s of data is 500kb/s of data no matter how fancy the equipment that reads it. An elm 327 is capable of any baud divider you wish up to 500kb/s-you just need to set it on startup. Since both the expensive and cheap devices do nothing more then transmit and receive (well and buffer for slower connections) it really is all in the software. Again before telling someone to "do research"-have a clue what your talking about.

    Now onto the software issue-there are dozens of programs for both windows and linux-i'll let you google that though. Theres also the option of a serial bridge into wine and then using any windows prog in linux-but that would take effort.
    Quote Originally Posted by mrbean_phillip View Post
    So, let's get back on-topic, shall we
    Gladly...the topic was how new bios technology improves startup time. Silly me for missing how your personal feelings about linux and its obdII capabilities related.

    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    The Linux kernel has CANBus support built into it. I believe thanks to VW? What you are probably lacking is support for the software that reads the proprietary codes.
    Thats exactly what I was referring to...theres also an open source can project thats cross-platform...and i thought a linux only can project building on vws work and adding more manufacturer specific can protocols but I cant seem to find it.

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    And that comment was untrue-what you meant to say was that your "chosen" software did not support linux.
    The point is that there is really very, very limited software support for these sorts of applications in linux. Not that linux is at fault, rather the companies developing is not considering rolling out on linux at this point in time.

    So, I go with what's available - should I really consider going with a watered-down piece of unsupported and buggy crap if I have the option of, for a very affordable amount, go for something decent - with proper support?

    Btw, I'm an automation specialist, and work with protocols like profibus (certified engineer), DeviceNet (CANbus in automation networks), and are very aware of cheap devices and lack of proper buffering at higher speeds - so, my choice to use whatever I like.

    So, again, don't look at it with your software goggles (which seems to be a bit foggy) - the reality is that you loose data when logging several parameters at 500kbit speeds with the ELM - I don't care that it has selectable Bauds - it cannot buffer the data proper, and that is my point. So, as much as you want to, you cannot present data to your USB/serial port that is not there - thus the need for devices that have the capability to transfer the datastream without gaps, and in realtime.

    Please do yourself a favor, and run 2 or 3 gauges on your ELM-based device, then use a proper device, and do the same test - a bit more smooth, wouldn't you say.

    My first comment was aimed at Kevin000, who uses ever opportunity to promote linux, and his LinuxICE project - and I simply mentioned that I prefer having proper 3rd party program support.

    As mentioned earlier, I like linux, and did my fair share on SuSE, Gentoo, RedHat, Fedora Core (actually work on this on a daily basis on our Industrial Platform, as part of a DCS process control network in Paper Machine controls), Ubuntu, et al.

    My point is until there is proper 3rd part support available from application-developers, specifically for the carputer environment, I will gladl stick with my WinXP Embedded setup -at any time as fast as a custom Linux kernel - with many more (carputer-friendly) apps available.

    So, enjoy, and remember to clean of those foggy glasses.

    Anyway, please PM me should you wish to take it further.
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