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    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    This is a new bios/feature. I wouldn't expect to see it on any mini-itx boards for a while. Do we even know who the target is for this bios? Probably netbooks/ other ultra-mobile devices...
    I got a few more details on how this works. Intel has been working on sub 1s bios initialization code for a while now. Fastboot bios works because normally, your bios will scan hardware and initialize it/probe it among other things. The Fastboot bios bypasses a lot of initialization and probing because your OS kernel is likely doing that anyway (can't speak for Windows, cuz I don't know how much the win32 kernel relies on the bios for its info). On Linux, and because of the hackish way bioses report information, the kernel relies on the bios for almost nothing (that's why Linux never had an issue with recognizing drives bigger than X gigs while windows required some extra software to see the same drive about 7-8 years ago).

    So what this new bios code does is just boot the kernel as fast as possible, leaving video and hardware init to the kernel.

    Google will be borrowing this same technology for their ChromeOS project. This bios stuff is mainly targeted at netbooks and MID devices like I suspected. It'd be cool if we saw it on mitx boards, but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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    Thanx Kev000 - as much as I suspected

    Would be luvly to have this available from phoenix/award as a selectable default for all motherboards- just imagine being able to download both the normal and rapid version of a bios - even better, having just one, and enabling this feature within the bios....

    Ah, would be bliss for us carputer afficionados!
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    Quote Originally Posted by UnusuallyGenius View Post
    is there anyway to send a wake up command over wifi to a carpc that is in S3 sleep mode, to be able to wake it up, sync some data to it, and then put it back into S3? (windows of linux, dont care which)
    i say this a lot, but installing a simple remote starter for your car adds so much flexibility other then just the starting part.. i think its a no brainer if you have a carpc. mine comes with axillary channels on the remote, so i have those wired for turning on the pc on and off... at any time i just hit ch4 and my pc will fire up and it's wifi then connects to my home network. when done, hit ch4 again and the pc will go back into hibernate. remote works up to a 1/4 mile away too.

    WOL would only be necessary if you live in the city or something where your car is not normally within a city block... but WOL adds a lot more complications and hassle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    I measured a ~30mA draw from my carPC when in s3. Even considering a fairly low 50AH battery your taking about weeks of standby time.
    well it will run that long, but you wont be able to start your car. you really dont want to let your battery dip below 12.4v, basically it comes down to about 20% drain at best before your battery is too weak to start the engine. in the summer you could drain it further then in winter of course too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    oh, so what you originally meant to say is Windows frontends are superior to Linux frontends, not the actual operating systems themselves.

    CF may be superior to nGhost on Linux. CF may also be prettier for now. But RR? I have yet to see a RR skin that i find in the least attractive.

    I'm not trying to convince you to use linux, I'm just hoping people don't close up to it. It's rough now for sure, but wait until you see the new interface that I'm working on. It'll blow CF3 away.
    I'm trying man, really.

    I'm already a linux guy, so you're preaching to the choir. Now, I have this electric car and I wanted to monitor telemetry of the motor, controller, etc. So I was going to set up a linux box to do that. Hey, since I'm going to have a touch screen anyway, wouldn't it be cool to have it display GPS nav and control my sirius radio receiver? A quick web search and I see this has been done. Oooh, what about linux? A few minutes on google turns up this thing called LinuxICE. Cool! Looks perfect! I didn't even bother with a new HD but just dove head first, downloaded the latest version and installed it over my current plain Ubuntu distro.

    Unfortunately I've had nothing but problems ever since, after fighting with LinuxICE every night for the past 10 days...

    The linux nav software is really bad. The version of navit that came with the linuxICE distro crashed all the time, so I spent a night and built the latest from scratch. That runs, but it's just awful. Yeah, I see my location on a map, but the real value comes from route planning which is kludgey and just wrong in Navit. I tried some other apps but they weren't much different and most don't have turn-by-turn routing.

    There's no Sirius radio control. Period.

    My music on the internal disk doesn't play, either (playlists disappear every other reboot). And sometimes the icepanel crashes so I have no way to shut the thing down.

    Help me out here, or this dyed-in-the-wool linux guy may have to buy his first windows machine and run Centrafuse (which I have to say, *looks* like it has everything I want).

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    ASUS motherboards have something similar to the initial post using a BIOS embedded program called ExpressGate. I have it on my pc, and can go from cold boot to the internet, in 5 seconds or less, without an SSD.

    ASUS has marketed such technology for a little over a year now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dMand View Post
    ASUS motherboards have something similar to the initial post using a BIOS embedded program called ExpressGate. I have it on my pc, and can go from cold boot to the internet, in 5 seconds or less, without an SSD.

    ASUS has marketed such technology for a little over a year now.
    Asus ExpressGate is nothing similar to the new Phoenix Quick Boot BIOS technology.
    Phoenix Quick Boot improves the BIOS boot time, which all happens even before the OS starts loading.
    Therefore the topic title about "10 second Windows Boot!" is very misleading. This has nothing at all to do with Windows boot time. This works with any OS installed, Linux, Windows or whatever. It does nothing at all for the OS boot time itself at all, only shortens the time before the OS starts booting.

    What is Asus Express Gate - Asus Motherboard Software?

    Express Gate is a new software package that ships with newer Asus motherboards. Based on the popular "instant on" Linux distribution - Splashtop, Express Gate gives you access to your most often used software applications 5 seconds after pressing the power button on your PC. Learn more.

    Overview

    The Asus Express Gate is a software application installed in the firmware of newer Asus motherboards. Express Gate acts as a mini operating system, offering the user access to mini-games, their photos, instant messenger programs, Skype, the Web, and more, within 5 seconds of powering on their PC. Express Gate loads immediately, prior to the computer entering the main operating system, be it Linux, Windows, or other.

    Read more: http://www.brighthub.com/computing/h...#ixzz0bDLNQcOq
    So Asus ExpressGate on the other hand does not improve the overall boot time for Windows, Linux etc. installs, as opposed to Phoenix Quick Boot. Only the decicated Linux Splashtop based "mini-OS" ExpressGate. Boot time for booting into your regualr Windows or Linux install is not improved.
    There's no CarPuter frontend in Asus ExpressGate.
    Several other computer manufactures has had something similar to Asus ExpressGate for a long time. Dell for example has their own MediaDirect "mini-OS" on their laptops too where you can view pictures, movies, listen to music etc. and it boots much faster than a regular OS. MediaDirect is just based on Windows XP (emedded I think) and unlike Asus ExpreeGate it doesn't have an internet browser. But here's a hack for that so you can also use IE in MediaDirect: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=273473
    HP, Lenovo, LG, SONY and Acer all use Splashtop Linux on some of their computers, just like Asus Express Gate: http://www.splashtop.com/get_splashtop.php
    But these mini-OS'es are no replacement for a regular OS and neither are they equivalent to Phoenix Quick Boot.



    On another note, the Windows vs. Linux boot times are also compeltely irrelevant in this topic. Better start that discussion in another topic, as it has absolutely nothing to do with this topic of Phoenix Quick Boot. Phoenix Quick Boot works with all OS'es isntalled and before the OS starts booting.
    It's probably the "10 second Windows Boot!" topic title and the similar title at the linked article that got this Linux vs. Windows boot time discussion started here. They really should have picked another title for that article, since it has nothing to do with the OS boot time itself, but all the reduced boot time is BIOS boot time which happens even before the OS starts booting.

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    This tech has been out for 6 months now....anyone have any info on boards shipping with it? Or even boards planning to ship with it? I know we figured it would take awhile before itx boards got instant boot but there should at least be some announcements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post


    This tech has been out for 6 months now....anyone have any info on boards shipping with it? Or even boards planning to ship with it? I know we figured it would take awhile before itx boards got instant boot but there should at least be some announcements.
    Quite a few atom MIDs run it. Namely compal based devices including the clarion mind. I haven't seen any off-the-shelf hardware with it though.
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    Intel has the Rapid Bios Bootkit available, but sadly, only for Server-boards.......
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