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    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    XBMC just had a release 7 months ago according to the same article. Is it really dead? They just stopped using windows and turned it into a complete Linux distro. Hmm, sounds familiar.

    If GENIVI is successful, most car mfg will be running a moblin flavored Linux coolaid and the carpc hobby get smaller and smaller because "my car i just bought from the shop already does *everything* that I want". There are a lot of aftermarket companies jumping on the GenIVI bandwagon also.
    this is how it seems to always go, the thing is no one can actually HAVE all of the market. whoever provides that illusion of "always working" + expandability first will be the creator of the market however.

    sync looks cool, but there is NO WAY im gonna buy a car because of it. but sync is only sync to ford, otherwise it's microsoft motors (or somesuch) doesn't matter what it's called, i'd still take my msdn license, along with surface please. ha ha ha

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    related side note "join us on EFnet".. ha ha ha ha.. man, i havn't even thought about IRC in forever!
    http://web.archive.org/web/199812020...ww.mp3car.com/

    and wired.. taking mp3 to the streets!
    http://web.archive.org/web/199902220...ory/17720.html
    .. i am really hoping that article loads.

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    In regards to technology not being picked up, you guys were ahead of your time. Simple as that! Media centers and Home pc Controllers were ahead of their time.
    Price point was another issue.

    The stars are starting to align. Convergence of the pc in your car, hand and on your desk are going to happen. The cell phone is at the center of this. My iphone is so much more powerful than my first PowerBook 520c that it amazes me all the time. It even has more power than my MacIntosh SE.

    As justchat_1 pointed out the carpc is going to fade away or will have to change. Which is why I mentioned that the cell phone is going to be key piece of mechanics. People are going to expect that their phone is going to be bluetoothed to their speakers.

    Apple already is entering the car pc market. Take a look at the latest line up from alpine. the 305 and 404 are dedicated ipod controllers and the 404 has the breakout cable which is now being sold through mp3car for $200 (inc monitor).

    M$ buys folks out for various reasons

    Look at this way, if the car pc FEs don't progress China will do the job for you. This I was trying to get at in the OSC - market thread. I can get a cheapo $300 deck that does ipod, bluetooth and DVD (of course quality is crap) but with economies of scale these will get better and the monitor quality will be something to take a look at finally.

    Once again, from my other thread, there are other markets out there beyond North America.

    IF I could get internet data plans at $10-20/month I really believe I could get fleet sales for major cities into the millions. lolo, once you saturate the market ... your screwed but ... you still can tap the bigger market of data and advertising.

    North Americans drive ... you all own cars. So, your view point is tainted.

    Fleet sales folks!!!
    Enter the market through the back door!
    1.) hardware
    2.) software (phone, gps, video feeds)
    3.) subscription based sales

    This is something I thought about 6-7 years already. However, at the time I was only thinking XFM radio.

    But back to the this threads topic.

    * IF the resources here were combined ...
    * IF we could get developers to work towards a unified platform ...
    * provide the right license (LGPL << like GPL but sellable without redemption or even MIT and APACHE << not sure what the true commercial-ability they allow)
    * provide the plugins (ie, app(le) store) that people want

    Somebody with deep pockets will take notice.
    geez, google just bought yelp. (who are they???)

    OR, you all could just say independent and enjoy what are doing anyway

    Each developer here has the right ideas ... this is the main reason why I am poking my nose into this!

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    In a previous post, I mentioned the possibility of Microsoft or Intel getting into the CarPC game in a big way (at least domestically).

    Microsoft Sync is well known. Microsoft Auto less so. That's the industry relations side of the house. They do try to cover as many bases up front as possible. But as someone pointed out, sometimes the software has to wait for the hardware. Which brings us to Intel:

    http://download.intel.com/design/emb...s/31534601.pdf

    This and related materials show that Intel is definitely looking at this market. This is a full-up single DIN 7" TFT touchscreen carPC. Front and rear independent audio and video, 8 USB and 2 Com, DVI out, Video out, Sata. 1ghz Celeron with 2gb ram.

    Vaporware? Possibly. But if you read a little of the copy, you'll see that they talk about and address many of the issues brought up in this thread.

    Something to ponder, no?

    VegasGuy

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    Now vaporware in a sense, they just dropped Moblin on the Linux Foundation.
    However, this could be probably be part of the itx line up from Intel.

    Building the hardware is easy for Intel. It's putting the software and surrounding revenue source together that is major problem. Which I think ... I just might have a model. Kev000 from the little bits I have gathered also has the right ideas too, regarding a reoccurring revenue model.

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    Didnt see any mention here of revenue models....can u elaborate? maybe a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    Didnt see any mention here of revenue models....can u elaborate? maybe a link?
    When the OBD sensor detects a problem, the car checks the web for a route to the nearest 7-11. Upon arrival, the webcam uses facial recognition to detect the presence of other patrons and the text-to-speech asks them if they can spare some change.


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    dam!
    Even though, that was meant to be a joke. Vegas did hit upon a cool idea.
    Charge for advertising off of maps

    As for revenue models, sorry no links. Purely ideas I have over the past 10 years that sort of come together. However, sitting in my car and dreaming up Satellite radio only to logon the net and find out it's called XFM was a true bummer.

    The US is saturated with Radio, LA is just one big mess not knowing which station to listen to. However, the US is the US and not many other countries are like it

    Revenue:
    1.) OS sales
    2.) apps (definitely Apple has showed us the way)
    3.) advertisement
    4.) fleet sales
    5.) fleet customization
    6.) taxi customer "irritation" advertisements
    7.) content collaboration

    Building hardware or software or even the full widget is no longer that much of a profit builder. You really need to target what kind of service you can provide that is subscriber based.

    Much of what I'm thinking of and writing about actually comes from 3-4 years of thinking of how to break into the home business. Actually, my 10th business plan.
    Funny was how I thought it should be based upon those wonderful housewives. But car tech is something that can be targeted at women too!

    Women are the ones that control the pocket book, if they likey, Mikey is a happy guy!

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    Look, this is a *hobby* market. Stuff like Ford sync is right down the line of what you would expect a big company to do - develop a system that they put in their car to make it more attractive than their competitor's car.

    As kev000 and justchat noted, car pc's are too hard to configure and the whole paradigm is shifting to mobile, leaving dedicated car pcs in the dustbin eventually.

    That doesn't mean in car computing as a hobby is dead, though. What strength do we have that manufacturers don't? We don't have a revenue model built around the preservation of proprietary technologies!

    The OSDash project is an attempt to build interoperability across front ends. But it doesn't matter if it's a front end or not. It's services that you can use however you'd like. They will be managed using a web browser to configure them to try and make it less "edit the xml file" and more "Ride Runner config" style.

    In order for manufacturers to compete with something like this, they either have to agree among each other (unlikely), or build their own more compelling ecosystem (iPhone app-store style). We are free to innovate and explore mixing and matching services. They have to have revenue to support it.

    Whether OSDash project succeeds is a big *if*. But the evolution of the car pc hobby has to head in a different direction or it will be overtaken by consumer products.
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    I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
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    I'm just saying that this "hobby" could be more than just a niche market.

    Strength? Just as much strength as another other start up that had no seed capital.
    The point is to get noticed.
    Who would expect that Ruby, Php, Python would get so big?
    Linux? Twitter?
    Strength comes with numbers.

    Please don't misunderstand me.
    I am NOT trying to say that any of what folks is doing is wrong.
    Rather,
    You guys could take this to the next level.

    Everything that I have seen here is pretty cool or awesome!

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