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    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    One thing that makes the tablet appealing is that its easy to install and easy to remove. Most people can easily grasp the concept that they can plug into the aux jack on their existing car stereo and do things. But most people have a hard time figuring out how to do a complete install. Secondly, buying a 300 tablet with a mount makes sense. Paying for a completely new system + installation could easily cost more.
    I don't know about "easy". My main goals were threefold: 1) removable, primarily for insertion into multiple vehicles maintaining identical functionality throughout, using it on the beach, rental car, aircraft, etc was just an added benefit; 2) portrait and landscape functionality in the cars with automatic switching; and 3) do everything a motherboard-based CarPC can do... and mine does but it wasn't "easy".

    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    One drawback is that the tablet, because of it's removable nature, can't easily integrate with the car. It can, but it requires extra hardware. And if you take it out, you miss out on some awesome integration/automation tricks that you can do.
    Have you seen my sig? They all require extra hardware! And when I take it out, I can take quite a bit with me. I demonstrated my CarPC in a bag at the last AFK Fest in Baltimore where I had GPS, music, videos, FM radio running on my tablet mounted in my rental car.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    I guess maybe I have a different view on what a tablet is. I think its a laptop, with full desktop capabilities, but can be taken with you and has a touchscreen. An iPad is not that at all.
    Your definition is close (touchscreens are finally making a comeback to tablets since Bill Gates TabletPC Spec hasn't yielded the desired results).

    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    Now I do think that other companies will take advantage of Apples limitations and build nice tablets that have all the similar ports and stuff like a tablet.
    I will tell you, its already happening, unfortunately, we won't see the full impact for a year or two.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    Yes, you can take the iPad out, but if I really wanted to do that, I wouldn't have built a Car PC, which I feel should be flawlessly integrated into the car.
    You keep saying this about "flawlessly integrated", but I think you mean OEM-style/look installation. I think I have a flawless integration (OBDII, TPMS, V1, audio, video, phone, GPS and Internet, etc.) - OEM-style its not, but that, too, was intentional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoQ View Post
    You keep saying this about "flawlessly integrated", but I think you mean OEM-style/look installation. I think I have a flawless integration (OBDII, TPMS, V1, audio, video, phone, GPS and Internet, etc.) - OEM-style its not, but that, too, was intentional.
    Yes, that is what I mean. When you get in the car you do not immediately know a Car PC is there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoQ View Post
    I don't know about "easy".
    Not to sound like an ***, but is that example pic supposed to be indicative of an actually usable interface? It's horrid.

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    I feel tablet pc's will be an in-between product for more techies and gadget freaks. It is hard to say how they will be mainstream, but for techies/geeks/freaks we can think of many uses and I can name a few -

    1) Sporting Events. Being there is great, line of sight however unless you spend alot of money are horrible usually. Either with live streaming or with a tv tuner you could be at the game with your 7-12" screen and watch tv coverage.

    Considering there's an Orb app for the Iphone/Ipod Touch, there's no reason to assume you can't use it the same way on your Ipad.

    2) Remote Device/Monitor/Control. OBD-II control by Bluetooth, control CarPC from device, Tuning interface for software like Diablo, Superchips, Digital Horsepower, etc.

    Of course all those places where a smart phone is too small and you really don't need the keyboard from your netbook or laptop pc.

    Some people will try to use them in the car as a replacement for a standard head unit, but you run into many of the same problems when your talking about Car PC's and how it interfaces back into the car and I doubt anybody would leave their new $600-$700 Ipad in the dash of their car for every long, its just calling for a smash and grab thief.

    Apple has an early advantage with the Ipad, but I feel Windows and Andriod based Tablets will allow for more diverse software to be programed for it. Besides, can you think of a better free Navigation system than Google Maps with Navigation?

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    Now this is an idea..... Like what most people are doing with the iPhone, I think the iPad is best when used in conjunction with a PC. That will give it most of the features hardware wise. Now software wise to get the hardware to work, you then have to get into all that jail breaking stuff. I can easily see the iPad working that way. You wouldnt even need a screen for the PC, the iPad can do it instead? Maybe even a software like logmein? You could control the PC from the iPad and what not?
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    You can do that, but, at that point, you're turning the tablet into a very expensive touch screen.

    We've already established ad nauseam that there are high demand and low demand users. Most tablets (in their current state) will simply not meet the needs of those high functioning users. However, while they may be vocal, they are the minority. The majority of carPC users want it for very simple things -- their music collection, streaming web music, GPS. The ability to watch movies (while parked!) is also a big plus for them. The more comfortable they get with carputing, the more they want to add in weather, traffic, cams, logging, etc. etc. Very rarely (I'd say never) does someone jump in to carputing and have every nerd's "dream" setup.

    Pandering to the minority and saying tablets are a waste of time and money is ignorant on the evolution and economic front of carputing.

    I agree with the OP on this one. There's a gateway that's been opened and we won't see the full extent of the carputing possibilities for some time (years) to come, but tablets are here and here to stay. Welcoming them in (even as a gateway drug to full fledged carputing) is the way to go.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne613 View Post
    That tunnel vision has been Apple's handicap since inception, only by [IMO] it's combo of successfully targeted avertising, and uniquely ingenious easy interfacing have they conquered in recent years.
    Umm, not tunnel vision. Very purposeful. Margins are tiny on hardware these days. Licensing and controlling data distribution is the frontier we're coming to (how many downloads does the iTunes store have? The App Store?), and letting go of those reigns is like telling your shareholders, "Hey, it's just money..." There are very good reasons that Apple now has the same Market Cap as Microsoft, and it ain't from selling hardware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jr4284 View Post
    Umm, not tunnel vision. Very purposeful. Margins are tiny on hardware these days. Licensing and controlling data distribution is the frontier we're coming to (how many downloads does the iTunes store have? The App Store?), and letting go of those reigns is like telling your shareholders, "Hey, it's just money..." There are very good reasons that Apple now has the same Market Cap as Microsoft, and it ain't from selling hardware.
    It is still IMO tunnel vision. Purpuseful on their part, but overall usually short-sighted as a product that gives more for less always comes along. I would argue they also would not have this product share if it were not for the creativity of the underbelly (which they fight against for every firmware and hardware update) dissecting their software to forcefully keep those reigns from becoming a noose that would have hung them far long ago otherwise.

    If I knew I couldn't jailbreak the old ipod touch and iphone that I current own I wouldn't have bought them to start with, let alone gone back for seconds. And I might not be a majority percentage, but I doubt I'm that far from center position in this view.
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    I can't let that go by. You are seriously saying that the success of Apple, Inc. is due to the hacker community? Most people don't know that community exists and it wasn't a force until the iPhone came out.

    Are you implying that because they've shown how the iPod or iPhone is capable of multitasking or certain prohibited functions that Apple has responded by adding those functions and that further, the products would have failed if the hackers hadn't made those innovations?

    Well, I disagree. I think it has a lot more to do with features that competitors have that are considered important by the consumers vs. hacker innovations. Stuff like GPS, turn by turn nav, enterprise level email capabilities, better cameras, more processing power, multi-tasking and so on.

    Sure, hackers have contributed ideas and shown the way for an alternate ecosystem of store and apps -I'm grateful to them for that. But I'm not prepared to accept that they are responsible for the success of these devices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    I can't let that go by. You are seriously saying that the success of Apple, Inc. is due to the hacker community? Most people don't know that community exists and it wasn't a force until the iPhone came out.
    I can. You're interpreting incorrectly. It's due to marketing, innovation, and word-of-mouth.

    Most of the initial buyers, and much of the hype was from the experience with the Ipod touch. Which was a force beforehand. Contrary to what tech sites would like you to believe the most effective means of marketing is still the stone-age method. I like it, think I can get something "extra" from it, get relatives, friends, co-workers to check it out.. Recommend it for reasons they will probably never use or know how to, not exactly unique in the tech field.

    All of that aside, it's an implication of having that something "extra" whether or not you take advantage of it. The implication is not that it was what sparked it, but what kept and added fuel to it's fire to get where it is now. At least that is my opinion. It may or may not be correct, but from my observations is how it got to the point the line has. Oh, and of course with the proper [essentially] slave labor force in China manufacturing it cheaply.

    Most of what you list didn't come out until recently, and multi-tasking still isn't on the plate. Actually, I think android sales have caught up if I recall correctly now anyhow.
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    apple makes products that are normally only for nerds, but they put them in sexy shells so everyone wants them. hp has had success doing the same thing, although they waffle back and forth over the years between serious business image to fun sexy so people never really know from year to year what they think.

    i think the ipad, once dfx5 runs on it, would be great for those people who ask you "can you put a carpc in my car?". because there is no way im installing like what i got in someone else's car, i would be on call at least once a week because of weird stuff.

    with an ipad all you need to do is modify the bezel on your car and run power and audio wires, thats it. its really a no brainier for the casual carpc wannabe.

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