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    Quote Originally Posted by SapporoGuy View Post
    I just installed QT. Wow! It's like Apple's developer Xcode kit!
    Looks better than Xcode.

    What's the difference between QML and QT?
    QML is a markup language like javascript. Qt is a comprehensive application framework written mainly in C++ and is the backbone for QML written apps.
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    Will need to check on that.
    Can I install in virtual box/vmware on my mac book pro?

    I only use wintel in my car

    how fast can we start working with meego knowing that further updates are in the pipe?

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    +1 on being comprehensive. Actually, I am really wowed by home it looks mire osx that Xcode does. Question would be are they par with each other...

    Is Bluetooth support around or in the making?

    Sorry about all the questions, it's just that meego is really close to what I have been invisioning a carpc fe would be

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    Quote Originally Posted by SapporoGuy View Post
    +1 on being comprehensive. Actually, I am really wowed by home it looks mire osx that Xcode does. Question would be are they par with each other...

    Is Bluetooth support around or in the making?

    Sorry about all the questions, it's just that meego is really close to what I have been invisioning a carpc fe would be
    I wrote the Bluetooth support (a2dp and hsp. hfp is done by ofono). You better believe it's in there .

    You may want to wait until code freeze which is in a week or two. Maybe a bit after as things become more stable. I've only been toying with it here and there in the car...
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    I've had a good dig around and have come up with the following conclusions regarding the QT/QML vs SOA/HTML/JS/CSS. Given that QT is a propriety framework used by millions but the other is public framework and used by 2 billion people, and given that being a QT developer means a regular web developer can't just pick it up and start writing, I'd probably not use it.

    Have I got it right or can QT still be used by a HTML/JS/CSS front ender?

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    Is there a way to go with both?
    Some will want the server aspect of the core software and others will want a regular print to screen ability. Best of both worlds is what I'm thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sama View Post
    I've had a good dig around and have come up with the following conclusions regarding the QT/QML vs SOA/HTML/JS/CSS. Given that QT is a propriety framework used by millions but the other is public framework and used by 2 billion people, and given that being a QT developer means a regular web developer can't just pick it up and start writing, I'd probably not use it.

    Have I got it right or can QT still be used by a HTML/JS/CSS front ender?
    Good question. This thread is doing exactly what I'd hoped - throwing ideas around, so I'll add that one of the reasons I am interested in a web front end is to make it easier/more accessible to normal folks. Qt is very popular with developers, and SOA/HTML/JS/CSS is obviously well known among web folks.

    The question is whether it has to be an either/or choice? With a core of FE services running, perhaps based on Velocity or some form of it, can you use either one to access the core?

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    And just to add to the 'vision' a little - one of the reasons I've been interested in divorcing the UI from the services, aside from my own little iPad issue, is to allow for development of context in mobile computing. I talked about this a little bit at afkfest, but I think we're approaching a level of technological sophistication -mainly driven by ever smaller and lower power devices paired with widely available mobile data connections, that suggest we re-think the focus of car computing.

    Instead, there's a frame of reference, or context, that we now have access to because we can know who the user is via identification of their phone, where the user is via GPS, and in some cases we can make some reasonable guesses about what the user is doing in some cases (e.g. Tom is in the car, the car is running, and he is pulling out of his driveway).

    Rather than building a pc that does stuff in the car, I'm interested in exploring the building of a context that includes the car but could also be extended to my house or my work site or whatever. I can't take my car pc wherever I go, but I do take my phone and net access wherever I go. Even if I could program an app for each activity I do, lunch, gym, flying, driving, etc., they either wouldn't be integrated or if they were, it would be difficult to scale for everyone's custom contexts and would quickly bloat to uselessness.

    I really need the ability to customize my contexts and others need the same flexibility. The idea of using a web UI that can support multiple contexts by displaying different things and perhaps connecting to different versions of a Velocity engine (car, home, biking, whatever), is one approach to this idea.

    So, for those who are asking "why a web based FE?" *my* answer is, to explore ways to customize contexts for my various activities. It may not be the best approach and it should be considered experimental rather than operational. However, it IS an approach that deserves exploration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sama View Post
    I've had a good dig around and have come up with the following conclusions regarding the QT/QML vs SOA/HTML/JS/CSS. Given that QT is a propriety framework used by millions but the other is public framework and used by 2 billion people, and given that being a QT developer means a regular web developer can't just pick it up and start writing, I'd probably not use it.

    Have I got it right or can QT still be used by a HTML/JS/CSS front ender?
    Qt is an open source framework. And like I said, one could use Qt WRT (Web Run Time) to run HTML/JS/CSS code and gain system service. All Qt WRT is is a webkit based runtime that allows you to run html/js/css code as touchscreen friendly applications outside a browser.

    QML is javascript but it does require some learning. I think it's a better route to go. However, QML may be solving a different problem than this thread is.
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    So, is QML used inside a browser whereas Qt WRT would be an application that runs outside a browser but allows the use of js/css/html code?

    Where has Qt WRT been used commonly and where has QML been used?
    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruzer View Post
    I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post

    And just to add to the 'vision' a little - one of the reasons I've been interested in divorcing the UI from the services, aside from my own little iPad issue, is to allow for development of context in mobile computing. I talked about this a little bit at afkfest, but I think we're approaching a level of technological sophistication -mainly driven by ever smaller and lower power devices paired with widely available mobile data connections, that suggest we re-think the focus of car computing.

    Instead, there's a frame of reference, or context, that we now have access to because we can know who the user is via identification of their phone, where the user is via GPS, and in some cases we can make some reasonable guesses about what the user is doing in some cases (e.g. Tom is in the car, the car is running, and he is pulling out of his driveway).

    Rather than building a pc that does stuff in the car, I'm interested in exploring the building of a context that includes the car but could also be extended to my house or my work site or whatever. I can't take my car pc wherever I go, but I do take my phone and net access wherever I go. Even if I could program an app for each activity I do, lunch, gym, flying, driving, etc., they either wouldn't be integrated or if they were, it would be difficult to scale for everyone's custom contexts and would quickly bloat to uselessness.

    I really need the ability to customize my contexts and others need the same flexibility. The idea of using a web UI that can support multiple contexts by displaying different things and perhaps connecting to different versions of a Velocity engine (car, home, biking, whatever), is one approach to this idea.

    So, for those who are asking "why a web based FE?" *my* answer is, to explore ways to customize contexts for my various activities. It may not be the best approach and it should be considered experimental rather than operational. However, it IS an approach that deserves exploration.
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