I agree, from all the complaints I have seen. It seems CF2 had a OK engine, but CF3 they changed stuff or something was taken out, causing an uproar. Cool thing is, with Car PC, if we don't like something then we change it. We are not stuck on a specific front end or version.Play digital content
Playing of digital music/content was always the #1 reason for having a car pc back before MP3 players and MP3 capable headunits became mainstream. Early frontends like Media Engine and Frodo Player did this beautifully and simply. At this point, this is a non-issue except for the fact that newer front-ends seem to overlook this feature and their media players are cumbersome, difficult to search by artist/song/album and can be slow to search your hard drive. Honestly, we might have taken steps backward with this feature.
I disagree..... I think Nav on the PC is on par with portable navigation. i will also add that we have added benefits. Say for example people that record their driving. With software we can add GPS location to the video footage and even use GPS to imprint MPH. Not sure if handhelds have this, but we can also set up servers so others can track us, and now SonicExtasy is even changing his Vehicle Maintenance plugin to better use GPS and the ability to get statistics on the car. Destinator was behind, but a map update has been found, and Vegas added the ability to use Google Traffic to give Destinator live traffic routing. Another reason i like the Car PC. We can easily adapt our setups for future needs.GPS Navigation
GPS navigation was a major reason for having a car pc as well. Before just a few years ago, cheap GPS navigation devices didnt exist and it was almost cheaper to build a car pc to offer the same technical abilities as then current hardware offerings. Now with sub $100 navigation devices that do handsfree bluetooth with cell phones, offer connection to the internet for updating of maps and POIs, and cell phones with almost unlimited potential, the car pc has fell way behind in features and capabilities in this area. Software for PCs in this area have slowed down development and Linux has never had a really good software product ever.
HUH? I have no issues with my install as far as safety. Maybe its just the skins you are using. I have no issues with remembering what is where on the screen. I also use a SONY RM-X5S control stalk, which makes it even more easy to navigate. As far as voice, it will eventually get there. Remember we are using parts that are meant for a home environment. We are getting closer though. Another issue with voice is that there are so many hardware variations and even car variations. I think if we standardize the hardware, it will be even better.Increased Safety
Many early hobbyist thought that adding a car pc would increase vehicle safety. With simple interfaces such as large touchscreen buttons, voice control, and easy to use joysticks, it should increase safety behind the wheel. First hand experience, that is not the case. Skin developers are going for ultra shiny looks that can be difficult to use even when parked, yet alone driving. Voice control still is not perfected and other means of controlling the car pc still have not surfaced. Today's car pcs do not offer anything in the way of offering more safety to the driver or passengers. We have gone leaps and bounds backwards since the onset in this area.
As for passengers, my install is radically safe. Each passenger has their own screen, own controls, and what not. The driver has no access to any video content, or stuff that is not driver required. Vis versa for the passengers, they can not do things only the driver should need to access. It all just depends on how you design the setup.
Your joking right? Of course we are going to have to use servos, relays and what not. We are using these on cars not originally designed to be controlled by a Car PC. What was the point of this paragraph? You cant go out and buy a headunit that can magically control the car either.Car Control
With a car pc, we should be able to control the car using hardware interfaces. Sure we have made some steps with fusion brain and related products, but using them still required servos, relays, and other external hardware. Also against is that today's cars are infinitely more complex in terms of wiring than 10-15 years ago. Everything is hooked up the the car's multiple computer cores with almost no way to hack or communicate. The car companies have locked down the protocols and will not release how they work. I would say working on a newer car is harder than old cars based on this. While we have not gone backware in this area, the car manufacturers have made the rift even deeper due to their "innovations".
So then don't buy a newer car, lol. That is the number one reason I went with a 2003 Dodge Durango. I did research on what I can and can not do with the car. i will say the engine is heavily ECU driven, a lot more then i'd like. I will most likely never ever get a newer car because they are tying to many systems together.Car Automation
Same as above, having the car turn on itself in the morning automatically or doing X at Y time falls in the same category. While we have more info and hardware on how to do it, newer cars just make it that much harder.
This hobby has always been for a select few and always will be for a select few. If you ever had ideas of it becoming mainstream then all I can say that who ever thought that is pretty delusional. Isn't expandable? I think you have tunnel vision. Go into everyones work log and see what they are doing. My setup is pretty expandable, infact it has expanded. Lets see a newer car with a system be expandable without having to pay a dealer to do it. Even worse they just tell you it isn't possible.So while we have made great progress towards front-ends that use plugins and are extensible and cheap car pc hardware that anyone can afford and install, the original goals we wanted to reach are still not met. New developers have gone on different tangents and created solutions to problems that didnt exist or affected a small subset of people. Hardware exists, but isnt expandable or doesnt fit everyone's needs. Car pcs are more a distraction than ever before.
Wow, I though I was negative. To me it looks like you negative and blind. My guess is that the Car PC failed your expectations and now you are trying to generalize everyone into your failures. No car on the road, will be able to do what mine can do for a long time. I have seen other installs also doing things other cars cant do. Also like the fact that we can tinker with our cars, after all it is a hobby, is a big plus to me. Even if we do fall behind, who cares. As long as we have fun doing it, then its good enough for me. The gap isn't that big like you think, but if you want to think that way, thats fine.We are farther away then ever before and I do not think we will ever bridge the gap as a hobbyist community. It just may require the intervention of the car companies or some other large corporation to complete the gap and bring car pcs to the masses. When that happens, we have failed, since we were never able to do it alone.
To each their own.