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    This is a little bit of a detour, but somebody talk to me about this:

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Android-4-1-...bfa14e&vxp=mtr

    AM/FM/RDS, CD,DVD,Mp3,GPS,Wifi, 3G etc etc etc...
    BT hands free!
    Android Jelly Bean with full Google play store!
    Capacitive multi-touch screen.
    Dual-core A9 processor, 8gb of on-board storage.....
    Optional OIBDII !!!

    Isn't this almost exactly what everyone has been trying to do with Android? It's obviously jail broken, so whatever expansion or customization you wanted to do should be pretty straight forward. At about $250-300 for the whole rig, that sure seems like a bargain. I realize it doesn't support USB Host mode, but gee, surely somebody could build a custom rom that would run the system and add that kind of functionality.

    My point is, even if you take the discussion away from Windows and on to Android, the price/functionality equation remains almost the same...80-90% of what you hope to accomplish with your carPC for about $300.

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    that link doesn't seem to work, ...what's the post ID#?

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    That is cheap China stuff that doesnt hold nearly what it promises, will give you a lot of headache and also wont work for very long.

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    Just type the word "carPC" in search. it will be one of the first two or three items that come up. It or any of a hundred just like it. And yes, I know what the likely quality of the product is...the 800x480 resolution tips that a bit. But the point is that for the "average" consumer, just as in the past with windows-based products, the price point for a 90% Android-based solution is $300.

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    I've been doing my own carpc projects since 2006 and onto my 3rd gen at present.

    Market wise, 2014 has been big for Auto/IT industry. Apple CarPlay was announced. Couple of background things you may have not known:
    Google founded Open Automotive Alliance (OAA) early 2014. They have a large backing of manufactures and suppliers ready to work. just like they did very well with Android and Open Handset Alliance.
    As mentioned Apple announced CarPlay with a lineup of top-end manufactures for it's connectors.
    Aftermarket like Sony, Alpine, Clarion,.etc have all been pumping out mirrorlink compatible IVI. (mirrorlink is like CarPlay for Android). There is clearly a big push from the big corps due to the potential market growth.

    The *REAL* problem is car manufactures have failed to so far come up with a proper standard within the industry for advanced automotive. Prius was the top selling car for the last 5-10 years in many countries. People want digital cars. If IT can change how it changed Music and Movies industry, with the auto industry, it will not be as we know of today. All parts, manufacturing process, delivery and maintenance process will change. Priorities will never change tho. Safety and efficiency.
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    trippah - I saw your other post about a new IVI product, and it raises an interesting question.

    Why Linux? As you point out above, everybody and their brother is rushing to jump on one major ecosystem or another. Hardware is of zero consequence, the action is all about apps. Is your new box aimed solely at developer/hackers or are you hoping for broader appeal? If so, what can Linux deliver to the customer that Android cannot?

    Hehehe...funny questions coming from a die-hard Windows guy, but you get my drift.

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    First of all hardware is of major concern, that's why many big corps and even countries are making their own cpu/hardware. privacy, security issues being top. efficiency is also another big one. high efficiency comes only with tight hardware integration no matter how good your apps are.

    Android is pretty limited on what you can connect to it. Cameras, sensors, ..etc
    If you want to connect multiple cameras for a birdseye view effect, connect sensors and communication between the computer->car. You need powerful hardware to process all the data coming from these devices and sensors (there are heaps in a vehicle) Having an additional IVI box in the car will allow you to talk to your android. The IVI runs Linux to do the additional processing that a mobile phone cant handle Im currently starting work on the Augmented Reality prototype, after I'm done with my touchscreen framework.

    Ford and Fiat are also die-hard microsoft

    my 3cents.

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    I work in fleet telematics industry and every client wants everything available in their fleet. They want 2 way communication with drivers, see diagnostics of vehicle (starter disable/enable, temperatures, error codes, tire pressure, fluid levels, fuel consumption either by theft or excessive idling, ability to change routes on the fly, camera images just to name a few) I currently have a fleet that I use a 11.5" win7 tablet connected to a 3g/satellite modem which I can pretty well achieve all their demands. It's not a complete all in one box solution but very close.

    I stumbled upon this item on ebay item #360888384222 it had this same idea in mind using winCE. The right idea but I feel underpowered hardware and should have been winxp-7 embedded. Here is the link to the actual company that makes it http://www.sd-omega.com/avl65.html. There are many , many companies that have tried or are trying to do this very task of trying to get the ultimate do all unit to the masses. Some with major investors with lots of cash and some coming out of a basement/garage environment with little or no money behind them. Even Garmin is now selling a "connected" unit to communicate and send vehicle data back to a server.

    When I built my all in one data box I based it on the already proven hardware supplied by early members from here or from a larger company that provides great support for their product. Currently 3 front-ends can support the hardware and pretty well covers most needs with engine diagnostics, tpms, parking distance, gps, analog/digital in/out and a free usb port for camera/printer/scanner. Plus it is built modular to be able to add on extra features like am/fm/xm/hd/dab radio.

    Good luck and if you want to discus in more detail I am available SNO
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    On the earlier reliability discussion, I have to say I think the laptop solution is the unsung hero here. Not because I have one, everyone should but my real life experience with it has been fantastic in the reliability dept. I have had no hardware failures in the 3+ years it has been in the truck, I have replaced the HD once by choice to go larger bu the old one was fine. This is in a 1 ton truck, not a smooth riding car. This is the laptop also had a rough start to life when I drove over with a RV trailer when it was 6 mo old and broke the screen rendering it perfect for a carPC. Remember a laptop is made to move around without cards coming loose etc. Maybe that's the key for anyone having reliability problems with hardware? Obviously a tablet, if it will meet your needs, should offer the same thing in reliability as VegasGuy states.
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    So let me describe a (maybe not so) hypothetical device, and let me solicit your thoughts on what it should include.

    Let's start with this baseline:

    Form Factor - Intel NUC-sized device.
    Processor - AMD or Intel, including passively cooled very low TDP processors all the way up to Haswell i7.
    RAM - up to 8gb of 1600mhz SODIMM
    Storage - Sata III SSD or mSATA solid state drives
    Networking - 10/100/1000Mbps, WiFi 802.11ac/n/g/b/a + Bluetooth 4.0
    Audio - Analog Combo Headphone / mini-Optical S/PDIF jack, Microphone jack , Digital 8-ch HDMI
    Ports - HDMI (1) DisplayPort (1) SATA SATA 6.0 Gb/s compatible eSATA (1) USB Ports 4 USB 3.0 (on back panel) 2 USB 2.0 (on front)

    Now let's add an automotive DC-DC PSU

    At this point, we have the basics for a generic carPC. Could run Windows, Linux or even the x86 flavors of Android. Now if you wanted to bring this to market SPECIFICALLY to appeal to carPC DIYers, what else would you include, hardware-wise? (REMEMBER - you have to appeal to a global market, so DAB/DAB+ won't sell in the US, and Sirius/XM won't impress in Europe or Asia.)

    First thing that comes to mind for me might be a GPS or GPS/GNSS chipset. Maybe built-in OBD or CAN capability?

    Thoughts?

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