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    Thanks for the on-topic posts!

    I was looking at something like this.
    http://www.lexarmedia.com/readers/player.html
    But I'd like to find one that can play mpg or avi files as well. Just keep a few images and videos on a 16MB CF card and it starts as soon as the car turns on. Then just switch video source once the truckputer has booted.

    As far as a rearview cam, I'm still thinking about it, I'd really like it to be on the end of my boat trailer! I haven't hit anything while backing up yet, but there's been some close calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by f150tech
    Durango Kid,
    Please don't post misleading, misunderstood and uneducated info here.
    Why would you comment on something you've never tried or done the proper research on?
    You are the one who is completely wrong. They were loading XP EMBEDDED on tech TV. Do I need to explain the difference?
    Find me someone who can boot to a full Windows OS in 6 seconds from any drive... you can't.

    I can boot the exact same Win 2000 config on my low end notebook hard drive in under 30 seconds and I HAVE. Not sure how to "prove otherwise" to you, except that I have actually done this. How many people want to go out and spend $250 on a 1GB CF to test this? Not many, I'll wager. Yet I did, and you say I'm wrong. pfffft!

    So if you are going to post misinformed info that, frankly, has nothing to do with my question, you might want to go do it somewhere else.
    This wasn't supposed to be a flame post, but when you post stupid, inflammatory remarks, it can turn into nothing else.
    K? Thanx. Bye.
    Hey f150tech don't be a dickhead all your life. If in fact I am wrong (which you telling me don't prove anything) I'm sorry. I'm going by information that PROFESSIONALS have show. And no they were NOT using Embedded it was Windows XP PRO with SP1. Now until you or someone else shows me proof (benchmarks or video) of anything different I'll take the work of the pros not some *** who doesn't sound like he knows what he's doing in the 1st place.

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    I'm going by information that PROFESSIONALS have show. And no they were NOT using Embedded it was Windows XP PRO with SP1. Now until you or someone else shows me proof (benchmarks or video) of anything different I'll take the work of the pros not some *** who doesn't sound like he knows what he's doing in the 1st place.
    I think the burden of proof lies with you. I second the notion that it was EmbeddedXP that they were using.

    It isn't like we are talking rocket science here. It is more or less common knowledge that XP can't boot from a Hard Drive in 6 seconds let alone a CF card.

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    hmmm, very hostile, DK the off-topic villain.
    What kind of certifications make you a PROFESSIONAL, Durango Kiddo?
    Cause they were on TV? When their tests don't work out, they will often fudge it to get the results they want. I've seen many a test/benchmark falsified.

    I happen to deal in mass flash memory daily with the 3 major vendors and have discussed this at length with their technical experts. So am I a flash memory PROFESSIONAL? They don't give degrees in that stuff.

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    Hey durango... I'm interested in the 6 second XP boot. I searched TechTVs website but couldn't find any information. I'm not sure I beleive that its possible either. Embedded Windows 98 (www.litepc.com) claims to boot in under 10 seconds, so I can't beleive that a flat install of XP will load any where near those times. Especially on a CF card.

    Additionally: According to sandisk (http://www.sandisk.com/industrial/cf-specs.asp) read transfer rate bursts to 20MB/sec. ATA133 hard disks can move data at 133MB/sec... making CF cards 5x slower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam432823
    Hey durango... I'm interested in the 6 second XP boot. I searched TechTVs website but couldn't find any information. I'm not sure I beleive that its possible either. Embedded Windows 98 (www.litepc.com) claims to boot in under 10 seconds, so I can't beleive that a flat install of XP will load any where near those times. Especially on a CF card.

    Additionally: According to sandisk (http://www.sandisk.com/industrial/cf-specs.asp) read transfer rate bursts to 20MB/sec. ATA133 hard disks can move data at 133MB/sec... making CF cards 5x slower.
    I know what Durango is talking about, i saw that show too. But you won't find anything on techtvs website since they were bought out by comcast (they changed the website and didn't include any of the archived shows.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by f150tech
    hmmm, very hostile, DK the off-topic villain.
    What kind of certifications make you a PROFESSIONAL, Durango Kiddo?
    Cause they were on TV? When their tests don't work out, they will often fudge it to get the results they want. I've seen many a test/benchmark falsified.

    I happen to deal in mass flash memory daily with the 3 major vendors and have discussed this at length with their technical experts. So am I a flash memory PROFESSIONAL? They don't give degrees in that stuff.
    First off don't let the name fool you. I'm 34 years old and not a kid by any means. Second I'm not going to bother getting into a flame war or bother to debate who knows more about flash card memory. I have better things to do. But for the record I'm not the only one on these boards who seen the same show.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adam432823
    Hey durango... I'm interested in the 6 second XP boot. I searched TechTVs website but couldn't find any information. I'm not sure I beleive that its possible either. Embedded Windows 98 (www.litepc.com) claims to boot in under 10 seconds, so I can't beleive that a flat install of XP will load any where near those times. Especially on a CF card.

    Additionally: According to sandisk (http://www.sandisk.com/industrial/cf-specs.asp) read transfer rate bursts to 20MB/sec. ATA133 hard disks can move data at 133MB/sec... making CF cards 5x slower.
    Adam I wish I could help. I to wouldn't mind booting into WindowsXP in 6 seconds but I only saw it on tv and at the time (before planning my CarPC) I didn't think much about it. I know it was TechTV and thats pretty much it. Also the draw back to it they said was write limit of flash cards. They aren't like HDs in that you can only write to them a limited amount of times before they card degrades. They only did it to see how a solidstate CF could compair to a modern HD.

    Also the advantage they said was NOT in transfer rate but in seek times and drive spin up time. I guess WindowsXP access a few 1000 files while loading. If you take the 11ms (or whatever your drive access time is) access time over all the files it adds up and gave the advantage to the CF.

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    Guess I'll just have to try it out :-) Do you at least recall how the CF reader was attached? USB, etc?

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    Now now girls, it's okay, you're *both* pretty

    Here is an article that details how to get near instant on with Win XP PRO. IIRC it costs about 5K to implement.

    http://www.go-l.com/news/press_relea...on_05_2004.htm

    Also there is a solution for XPe (XP embedded)

    http://www.vci.com/products/instant_...et-readyon.pdf

    Forget booting.....

    I first started thinking about my Car PC in 1999, and built my first attempt in 2000, not finished, then my second attempt in 2003 (complete unit, epia1000, not good enough for DVD playback) scrapped the project, I just bought a 2005 Impreza WRX and I'm thinking about going the route of a Car PC again.

    1-5 second boot is a requirement for my project, the way I figure it, I shouldn't have to give up the features of a regular CD deck (Instant music, FM tuner, etc) to be able to have those features run off of a PC platform, nor should I have to run them in tandem with another system.

    I had thought the biggest problem I was going to have was getting wireless internet access easily, that I've gotten hammered down with my Sprint Phone and futuredial's software and cable

    When I implement a solution for instant (or near instant boot I will come back and let you all know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam432823
    Guess I'll just have to try it out :-) Do you at least recall how the CF reader was attached? USB, etc?
    If I remember right it was attached using an IDE connection. Some type of connector that took an CF and made it into a HD.

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