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    Good idea, you could use Girder software to control it with any device imaginable (keyboard, mouse, remote, touchscreen, etc.). Some zoom/tilt webcams already come with remotes and provide nice resolution/frame rate.
    I'd go for it. Especially consider buying an infra-red one for night vision too!
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    Take a 3D scan of each police car. Then compare every frame of the streaming webcam (@ 26 FPS) to every possible angle of the scanned cars.

    Simple
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBFoxbat
    the SSID of the station is cloaked. I know it's their... something about hacking a police station network just makes me feel kinda funny.
    nah, as long as you don't connect, your fine:-P you can find its clocked SSID via kisnet. it will capture packets to determine it, but not connect to their network. what is in the air is public property. it becomes illegal when you make a TCP/IP connection to their nework.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kandyman676
    nah, as long as you don't connect, your fine:-P you can find its clocked SSID via kisnet. it will capture packets to determine it, but not connect to their network. what is in the air is public property. it becomes illegal when you make a TCP/IP connection to their nework.
    The process of intentionally subverting encryption on government protected information IS a crime regardless of what legal methods you used to obtain the packets. It would be nearly impossible to trace unless you shared the information you obtained publicly, but that doesn't make it legal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by god_of_cpu
    The process of intentionally subverting encryption on government protected information IS a crime regardless of what legal methods you used to obtain the packets. It would be nearly impossible to trace unless you shared the information you obtained publicly, but that doesn't make it legal.
    If they are even *using* WEP or WPA, those encryptions only encrypts data packets - link layer packets such as joining, beaconing, probes, etc. are left unencrypted. all of your wardriving software captures packets, but only looks at the link layer part of the packet. thus you are not decrypting anything.

    Netstumbler looks for active beacon in the link layer of the packet. hidden beacons do not have this part in their packet, but they do when a user connects to them at first or a period of inactivity. this is where KisNet comes in since it scans for both beacon and join.

    thus is that still a crime? I think not until you start to store the packets and decrypt (if needed) their data.
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    Sorry guys, Most department use custom radio-modems for their communication on a non-disclosed digitally encrypted trunked frequency.
    the systems are motorola based and several are tied to the 2-way radios in the car and data is transmitted / recieved in packetized bursts.. sending directly to dispatch, this is for their MDT's and location information.. for thoe that use laptops, yes there are a few departments that use WiFi, however the systems are closed masked and MAC restricted.

    the bottom line is all departments handle their datacomm differently, theres no global standard, or even state standard. I can't go into more detail, but lets just say i'm very familiar with several PD comm standards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TechToy
    yes there are a few departments that use WiFi, however the systems are closed masked and MAC restricted.
    I'm sure u know that to someone who doesn't care about repercussions, those are trivial to over come.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EBFoxbat
    I'm sure u know that to someone who doesn't care about repercussions, those are trivial to over come.
    agreed. just they have to have wi-fi and severe reprecussions if you are caught. heh finding masked is not hard, same with MACs cause they are broadcasted in the link part of the packet. its too easy to fake MACs also *whistles*

    anyhoo, to get back on subject, then you know they are sending all this data back and forth...so its a matter of knowning what frequencies to search for? like do a wardrive software, but it tuned to looking for those frequencies nearby similar to a radar detector?
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    A camera would be cool, I was thinking of one for auto-x. Recorded to the HDD.

    Zoom, pan, etc I could only see working if you were stopped or going very slowly.

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    i still vote for putting a firewire webcam (60 fps) on the front of the car

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