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    GM putting OnStar in all new vehicles?

    http://news.com.com/Web+surfers+crac...l?tag=nefd.top

    Gee, that's just what we need. Every GM vehicle's movements tracked by a global corporation....is it just me or does this sound like a James Bond villian?
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    sounds more to me like a last attempt to not go bankrupt. theyre lossing all of their market to hyundai and kia. and their outdated line of suvs isnt going to be replaced til late 2006 early 2007
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    I think I have almost decided to never buy a car newer than about 1988 because of this and other "improvements" made since then.
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    @wizardPC: On most new GM vehicles, you can just pull a fuse to disable the OnStar. That, or disconnect the antenna. That's what the 19 year old crack heads that are stealing all the Escalade trucks are doing. From what I understand, it takes about 30 seconds for them to disable OnStar so they can't be tracked. Great theft deterrent.

    Though off-topic a tad, I think it works exactly the opposite if you ask me. Any other high-end auto, a thief should be aware there may be Lo-Jack, etc installed. But most of the people with that have been sold OnStar as a "feature" for theft deterrance now believe that's all they need. So, as a thief, the crack-heads can be pretty comfortable that once they've disabled OnStar (trivial) there's not going to be a Lo-Jack leading the local constabulary to their garage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peoples
    sounds more to me like a last attempt to not go bankrupt. theyre lossing all of their market to hyundai and kia. and their outdated line of suvs isnt going to be replaced til late 2006 early 2007
    Yeah... they're just plummetting into bankrupcy...

    ...after all, you can't run a company on billions in government contracts and subsidies alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wizardPC
    http://news.com.com/Web+surfers+crac...l?tag=nefd.top

    Gee, that's just what we need. Every GM vehicle's movements tracked by a global corporation....is it just me or does this sound like a James Bond villian?
    Not just movement... don't forget:

    OnStar can be used as a wiretap

    The important point in this article, I think:
    "The problem (the court had) with the surveillance was not based on privacy grounds at all," Sobel said. "It was more interfering with the contractual relationship between the service provider and the customer, to the point that the service was being interrupted. If the surveillance was done in a way that was seamless and undetectable, the court would have no problem with it."

    It's use as wiretap was ruled illegal solely because during the operation of the tap, the OnStar emergency contact system becomes unusable to the vehicle operator (where you push the button and talk to the OnStar center). If they can find a way to tap without disabling the system... it's fine.

    Regardless of whether its remote activation is legal or not, I'd rather not have a car with a built-in wiretap (and of course the remote tracking, remote locking, remote ignition disabling, etc.).
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    BTW... driver-identifiable tracking (by GPS or RFID "FasTrak" etc) also has another fun use:

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