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    Arrow Article: Satellite toll plan to make drivers pay by the mile; Charge of £1.34 a mile

    For our (unfortunate) friends across the pond:

    http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/tra...p?story=644303

    Satellite toll plan to make drivers pay by the mile
    Darling orders nationwide road pricing. Charge of £1.34 a mile on busiest roads

    By Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor

    05 June 2005

    British motorists face paying a new charge for every mile they drive in a revolutionary scheme to be introduced within two years.

    Drivers will pay according to when and how far they travel throughout the country's road network under proposals being developed by the Government.

    Alistair Darling, the Secretary of State for Transport, revealed that pilot areas will be selected in just 24 months' time as he made clear his determination to press ahead with a national road pricing scheme.

    Each of Britain's 24 million vehicles would be tracked by satellite if a variable "pay-as-you-drive" charge replaces the current road tax.

    In an interview with The Independent on Sunday, Mr Darling warned that unless action is taken now, the country "could face gridlock" within two decades.

    Official research suggests national road pricing could increase the capacity of Britain's network by as much as 40 per cent at a stroke, he said.

    The rapid uptake of satellite navigational technology in cars is helping to usher in the new "pay-as-you-drive" charge much sooner than had been expected. Figures contained in a government feasibility study have suggested motorists could pay up to £1.34 for each mile they travel during peak hours on the most congested roads.

    Although a fully operational national scheme is still considered to be a decade away, Mr Darling said local schemes could be up and running within five years. Manchester is considered a front-runner, with local authorities in the Midlands and London also pressing to be considered for a £2.5bn central fund to introduce the change.

    Most of the necessary technology already exists. Lorries will be tracked by satellite and charged accordingly from 2007. The main obstacle to constructing a scheme to track Britain's 24 million private vehicles is public opinion, and Mr Darling is determined to start making the case now.

    "You could dance around this for years but every year the problem is getting worse," he said.

    "We have got to do everything we can during the course of this Parliament to decide whether or not we go with road pricing. Something of this magnitude will span several parliaments and you need 'buy-in' not just from political parties but also from the general public.

    "Drivers have got to see that they benefit," he said, adding that one of the "weaknesses" of the congestion charging scheme introduced in the capital by the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, was that it delivered a "general benefit not a particular benefit". Motorists could feel they are paying a penalty to support buses they do not use.

    The national road-pricing scheme, by contrast, has got to work so there's "something in it for me", said Mr Darling in advance of a keynote speech on the issue this Thursday.

    Despite his insistence that the scheme would lead to no overall increase in the level of taxation as road taxes and fuel duties are reduced or abolished, it is bound to prompt fresh claims that Labour is waging a "war on motorists".

    Some campaigners, meanwhile, are pressing Mr Darling to introduce new levies on individual roads immediately, using existing microwave technology or tolls. But that would force traffic on to quieter roads while entrenching opposition to a national scheme, ministers believe.

    However, new and expanded roads are likely to see innovations such as car-sharing lanes, available to single drivers only if they pay a premium.
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    from what it sounds like... each car would need a little gps type satellite receiver/transmitter on it ..right??

    so if that is the case, i dont see how that would ever work or be fault proof... you could just cover the satellite receiver with some metal or material that blocks the signal...
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    Quote Originally Posted by toadster123
    so if that is the case, i dont see how that would ever work or be fault proof... you could just cover the satellite receiver with some metal or material that blocks the signal...
    The way the do-gooders are going, if you do cover it up or there is a fault, they will probably throw you in prison for life.
    Anyway, there is probably going to be another election between now and when they finally get it to work, it would have to be a pretty stupid political party that put something like this in their manifesto

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    I hope our brothers on the other side of the pond use the power of the vote to make it clear this will not be tolerated.
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    We already pay by the mile with the gasoline tax!!! IF they do that they will be double taxing us in the USA!
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    Good or bad, it is another example of big brother seizing control.

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    It's stupid. Out of £1200 I paid for Petrol last year, £900 of that was tax. Don't they get enough from us already..

    We're also taxed on our insurance premiums.

    They are basically trying to make it financially undesirable to own and run a car...
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    Quote Originally Posted by -zip-
    I hope our brothers on the other side of the pond use the power of the vote to make it clear this will not be tolerated.
    Didnt they have elections like one month ago?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaleBuffy
    Didnt they have elections like one month ago?
    yes we did but none of this was mentioned then, strange how they have thought this up in a month

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    Before I say this, I'm not defending some kind of big brother tracking system but you should give some consideration to what the basic idea is behind congestion pricing on the roads.

    First, there is no current method of allocating a scarce resource - road space, during times of congestion. Actually, there is. It's called delay. The problem is that each driver who tries to use the roadway imposes an externality in the form of more delay on all other drivers.

    There's no way to allocate the space because each driver doesn't internalize (that is, personally realize) the externality. The point of congestion pricing is to do that using money.

    Most people focus on the fact that they pay more money to drive. What they DON'T focus on is the benefit of the pricing. Re-read the article and you'll see that London traffic congestion is reduced by 30%. That's huge! Now, consider that you woke up late for work and need to get downtown for your job. You're willing to pay the charge and in exchange you get a road with LESS TRAFFIC on it. Without a congestion charge, you just get *****ed by all of the other people on the road who value their time less than yours on this particular day.

    There's also funding to improve the road system or fund alternative transportation that is derived from the fees collected. And the information derived from the fees is invaluable. If the charges get very high, you have a clear signal of WHERE to invest those fees collected. Unless you collect charges, you'll be clueless about whether building another lane on the motorway is worth more than some kind of intercity connector.

    Nobody likes to pay for access and vehicle traffic certainly seems much more personal but we don't blink when price is used to allocate concert tickets or airplane seats or automobiles. While it's a shame that it comes to charging a fee for access to congested parts of the city during certain times of day, it's not necessarily a static situation. If money can make access to the city better or easier, then the price will come down. If it can't then at least those who value it can get access more easily by paying for it.
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