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    JasonWW You are correct. After further review I have found that although the system is set to hibernate after 10 minutes the low power warning is sending it to standby before the 10 minutes is up.
    The system is then living in standby using what is left of the battery.
    I guess this wont work for long, but it has not failed in up to 24 hours.
    I plan on putting a second battery in the laptop (as well as replacing the dying one).

    It does come back to life in 4.5 seconds (from standby).
    ...Paul

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    OK, I replaced may old core components (mobo and CPU).
    Survey: Startup times and methods

    Here are the new parts and their times. I was surprised at the differences.

    1. Hardware Configuration
    * DFI LANParty UT nF3 250Gb Socket 754
    * AMD Sempron 3000+ 64bit Socket 754 CPU 1.8GHz, 128KB L2 Cache - about 30w max at stock 1.4v, has "Cool and Quiet" and 90nm core.
    * 256mb RAM
    * old IBM 40G HDD at 7200rpm
    * TNT 2 Vanta PCI video card
    * Chaintech AV-710 soundcard for sweet, sweet, S/P DIF sound.
    * Opus 150

    2. Software Configuration
    * Windows XP Pro Corp (fresh install)
    * RoadRunner
    * IR reciever for steering wheel buttons

    3. Startup Strategy
    * Regular Hibernation
    * also using S3 Standby

    4. Startup time, broken down by component of possible
    * startup controller delay - standard 10 second delay of Opus 150
    * BIOS delay - 10 seconds for video card alone, then 13sec for mobo BIOS
    * boot time or restore from disk/ram time - HDD loading from hibernation is 8 seconds (twice as quick as before)
    * application startup time (cold boot only) - N/A
    * total time from startup initiation (ignition or remote entry) until music comes from speakers - about 31. It's just a little faster overall.
    * Using S3 suspend/standby I get music in about 6 seconds

    5. Subjective information
    * On a scale of 1 (not important) to 10 (very important) how important is a quick startup time? 8
    * On a scale of 1 (not satisfied) to 10 (very satisfied) how do you feel about the startup time of your system? 6 or so from hibernation. I know I can shave some time with a new video card, plus I haven't played around in the BIOS yet to reduce time. A 9 from S3. I like it!
    * On a scale of 1 (not important) to 10 (very important) rate how interested you are in improving your startup time. 2

    I was really surprised by how fast the HDD loads from hibernation. It's twice as quick as it was before, but I don't know why. It's a fresh XP install, but it has all the same programs running as before. The Foxconn mobo I mentioned before wasn't a good choice as they were bought by another company over a year ago and their product quality has gone way downhill since then. Avoid those if at all possible.

    In case anyone does not know, the new 90nm AMD Semprons are much cooler than the earlier 130nm cores. The desktop versions are about 30w max at stock 1.4v voltage. They also undervolt really well, but it is not necessary. The 3000+ and faster versions have AMD's "Cool and Quite" technology. The CPU can throttle down when full speed is not needed. Plus this mobo has very good fan control in the BIOS and with the software, has even more fan control. This thing runs so cool with the stock HSF that the CPU fan does not even come on. Nights around here have been in the 60-70 range and the heatsink barely gets warm with the fan off! If it does warm up to my preset temp, the fan will turn on at reduced speed which can be controlled in the software. If it gets really warm (I chose 140*F) the fan will turn on 100%, but I don't think it will ever do that. Maybe in the summer time. All in all, I'm very impressed with this CPU/mobo combo. The only sound at all is the HDD. I kind of want to pull this thing out and use it in the house. Also, If anyone thinks the 1.8Ghz is not enough for them, these CPU's have been known to overclock to 2.3-2.4Ghz (about 4000+) with stock voltage. I don't need to do that as the stock 3000+ is more than enough for my needs as well as future needs.

    Now that I have a reliable working PSU in the Opus 150 I can use S3 standby/suspend. So far it's pretty great. It resumes in about 6 seconds. I've tested it off for 9 hours straight and the battery level showed 12.2, car cranked fine and no signs of any low battery levels. This weekend I'll test the off time for 24+ hours. Since this is my only car I can't see me not having to drive it for more than 36 or so hours. If I have to leave it longer than that, I can hibernate it. If a week or 2 then pull the power plug. I'll report back on the S3 battery levels over time to make sure all is well.

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    my system is comprised of a pentium m 1.6 laptop w/512 ram(the 1 gig sticks rolling around in the glove compartment for the day I go in there again )

    I have tried many times to hybernate, but it's always something that doesn't agree.... usually usb related... first was the soundcard, then there was the usb drive not coming back fast enough to be recognized... numerous issues...

    I have since given up on that for now..... eventually I plan on adding a second deep cycle battery just so I can standby, but for now I just cold boot...

    I use my carpc a lot like I use my desktop pc though..... I have a kr-1 router that boots & automatically gets me online.... I run full antivirus & spywhere protection.... I haven't made much effort in reducing boot times because I ALWAYS remote start my car anyway..... so if it takes 2 minutes to come up so be it.... whenever I get in the car it's fully booted, playing music in my front end, & connected to the internet...

    sure it would be great if it came up in 5 seconds.... but I haven't been able to do this reliably at all.... maybe if it just suspends, but I have so many periferals that would need to remain powered that It won't last even overnight in my current config..... but for the times I have played with this it's awsome to get it to come up & running in under 5 seconds.... just not reliable at all for me at the moment...

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    Well, I've got a new PSU and have been using S3 suspend/standby. More info in post #42. Battery levels seem fine over a 9 hour off period. Resume times are about 6 seconds which is great. If I can get the Opus 150 turn-on delay from 10 seconds down to 3 or 4, it will turn on almost as fast as a regular radio. Sweet!
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    I did a 30 hour test yesterday. The car cranked, but I could tell it was a bit low in voltage. Almost borderline. I'm fine during the week where the off time is only 14 hours at the most.
    Anyone know if the LED being on inside the mouse may be an unnecessary drain? I could switch mice. Then the mobo has 2 tiny LED's that stay on. I don't think I should mess with those.

    Any thoughts?
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    How To Relocate Climate Controls on the 97-02 F-body Cars
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    Car PC system is out, Alpine system is in.

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    Led's shouldnt concern you in any way, most 5mm led's pull max 10mA so hardly a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonWW
    OK, I replaced may old core components (mobo and CPU).
    Survey: Startup times and methods

    Here are the new parts and their times. I was surprised at the differences.

    1. Hardware Configuration
    * DFI LANParty UT nF3 250Gb Socket 754
    * AMD Sempron 3000+ 64bit Socket 754 CPU 1.8GHz, 128KB L2 Cache - about 30w max at stock 1.4v, has "Cool and Quiet" and 90nm core.
    * 256mb RAM
    * old IBM 40G HDD at 7200rpm
    * TNT 2 Vanta PCI video card
    * Chaintech AV-710 soundcard for sweet, sweet, S/P DIF sound.
    * Opus 150

    2. Software Configuration
    * Windows XP Pro Corp (fresh install)
    * RoadRunner
    * IR reciever for steering wheel buttons

    3. Startup Strategy
    * Regular Hibernation
    * also using S3 Standby

    4. Startup time, broken down by component of possible
    * startup controller delay - standard 10 second delay of Opus 150
    * BIOS delay - 10 seconds for video card alone, then 13sec for mobo BIOS
    * boot time or restore from disk/ram time - HDD loading from hibernation is 8 seconds (twice as quick as before)
    * application startup time (cold boot only) - N/A
    * total time from startup initiation (ignition or remote entry) until music comes from speakers - about 31. It's just a little faster overall.
    * Using S3 suspend/standby I get music in about 6 seconds

    5. Subjective information
    * On a scale of 1 (not important) to 10 (very important) how important is a quick startup time? 8
    * On a scale of 1 (not satisfied) to 10 (very satisfied) how do you feel about the startup time of your system? 6 or so from hibernation. I know I can shave some time with a new video card, plus I haven't played around in the BIOS yet to reduce time. A 9 from S3. I like it!
    * On a scale of 1 (not important) to 10 (very important) rate how interested you are in improving your startup time. 2

    I was really surprised by how fast the HDD loads from hibernation. It's twice as quick as it was before, but I don't know why. It's a fresh XP install, but it has all the same programs running as before. The Foxconn mobo I mentioned before wasn't a good choice as they were bought by another company over a year ago and their product quality has gone way downhill since then. Avoid those if at all possible.

    In case anyone does not know, the new 90nm AMD Semprons are much cooler than the earlier 130nm cores. The desktop versions are about 30w max at stock 1.4v voltage. They also undervolt really well, but it is not necessary. The 3000+ and faster versions have AMD's "Cool and Quite" technology. The CPU can throttle down when full speed is not needed. Plus this mobo has very good fan control in the BIOS and with the software, has even more fan control. This thing runs so cool with the stock HSF that the CPU fan does not even come on. Nights around here have been in the 60-70 range and the heatsink barely gets warm with the fan off! If it does warm up to my preset temp, the fan will turn on at reduced speed which can be controlled in the software. If it gets really warm (I chose 140*F) the fan will turn on 100%, but I don't think it will ever do that. Maybe in the summer time. All in all, I'm very impressed with this CPU/mobo combo. The only sound at all is the HDD. I kind of want to pull this thing out and use it in the house. Also, If anyone thinks the 1.8Ghz is not enough for them, these CPU's have been known to overclock to 2.3-2.4Ghz (about 4000+) with stock voltage. I don't need to do that as the stock 3000+ is more than enough for my needs as well as future needs.

    Now that I have a reliable working PSU in the Opus 150 I can use S3 standby/suspend. So far it's pretty great. It resumes in about 6 seconds. I've tested it off for 9 hours straight and the battery level showed 12.2, car cranked fine and no signs of any low battery levels. This weekend I'll test the off time for 24+ hours. Since this is my only car I can't see me not having to drive it for more than 36 or so hours. If I have to leave it longer than that, I can hibernate it. If a week or 2 then pull the power plug. I'll report back on the S3 battery levels over time to make sure all is well.
    I replaced my old video card with a newer Radeon 7000 RV6P-NA3 32MB PCI DVI-I/TV OUT
    http://www.axiontech.com/prdt.php?item=72278
    This did speed up the boot time due to a quicker video card BIOS screen. It's just a couple of seconds long compared to the 10 seconds of the older video card. The image quality is also better plus I have dual outputs (RGB and DVI) as well as a composite output.

    I've been very succesfull using S3 standby with this setup, so the system is playing music about 6 seconds after cranking the car. I replaced my old battery with a new Optima Red Top and haven't had any more battery run downs over the weekend. Even if the voltage gets down to 11.8 the car still cranks right up.
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    How To Relocate Climate Controls on the 97-02 F-body Cars
    (AMD Sempron 3000+, Opus 150)
    Car PC system is out, Alpine system is in.

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    Just a bump to encourage folks to take measure their start up times. The more info we can get the more people can speed up their boot times.
    1999 Black Pontiac Trans Am
    CarPC's in F-bodies
    How To Relocate Climate Controls on the 97-02 F-body Cars
    (AMD Sempron 3000+, Opus 150)
    Car PC system is out, Alpine system is in.

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    17 seconds cold boot from power on to hourglass disappearing from windows cursor (including post).

    Hardware Configuration:

    Advantech PCM 9373
    1GHz Via C3
    256Mb SODIMM
    512Mb flash disk-on-module drive for boot drive
    8Gb 1" compact flash hard drive for media).
    Custom startup controller (12C508 based).
    Custom power supply (ISR PT5071, PT6625 based).
    Stock battery in a turbo diesel.

    Software Configuration

    Windows 98SE lite, cut down to 48Mb, zipped to 22Mb, image stored on disk-on-module. Image unzipped to, and booted from ramdrive at startup.
    Custom frontend (gps, mp3).
    Main tweak is the masisvely cut down Windows, and unzipping windows to ramdrive and booting from there. Windows then runs from ramdrive and so is very responsive. Since windows runs from ramdrive, all writes occur there to, and not to the flash drive (which would quickly destroy it).

    Startup strategy is shutdown controller based. Shutdown controllers waits 3 seconds before powering up. Mobo comes on with power. Lockup period of 50 seconds during which no powerdown can occur (allows boot to complete). On IGN dropping low for 5 seconds the power button is pressed, and then 15 seconds later the power is hard cut. All controlled from a 12c508 PIC.

    Cold boot is used, from a zipped Windows image. Always boots from a known configuration, every boot is from the same zipped image, changes during the session (to registry, windows files, etc) are discarded when system powers off. Never get any corruption/degradation of Windows over time.

    Startup roughly broken down:
    post/BIOS - couple of seconds.
    Unzipping the windows image - 8 seconds.
    Booting windows - 7 seconds.
    App startup time - couple of seconds.

    Startup importance : 9/10
    Satisfaction with startup time : 7/10
    Interest in improving boot times : 8/10
    Old Systems retired due to new car
    New system at design/prototype stage on BeagleBoard.

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    booting off a 4gb '150x' cf card from ebay

    from the push of the power button: 22 seconds til music is playing (add 4-5s for the m2atx to send the signal after turning the car on)

    coming back from standby: 2-3 seconds (plus 4-5s with the m2atx)

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