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    WOW!! I'm blown away by your highly intellectual response... While you're at it, why don't you just BURN the Constitution?? I'm sure you think the 5th Amendment is an anathema.

    For the record, I'm a Navy JAG (hence the name) and I'm currently deployed to Iraq (away from my normal duties of defending sailors and marines) where I'm helping to put international terrorists in jail so you can sleep safely in BFE, Maine. Sweet dreams.

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    owned. Much props to SeaLawyer for the military sacrifice (corporate attonery mother, top-ranking military uncle- i know the paycheck difference). Keep up the good work

    @psyrex and...no i'm not getting that dancing girl again!
    ricers have thier uses, don't they? I guess the biggest problem is how to get a non lethal, legal system in a car to defend agaisnt the inital stages of unlawful entry. We can't kill them. we can't stun them. We can't leave a big black guy named Ben in the car due to labor laws (i'm from the caribbean, its okay...plus it acutally works, though his name wasn't ben).

    WHat about adhesives? Or a fast hardening gel that keeps the guy stuck to the car door till you get back? i mean, sure, you may loose a door handle, but think about what he'll have to loses. Like, i understnad some "unlawful imprisonment laws", but hey, we could put a warning sign amd auditory alerts and state that we gave him fair warning.

    Ya know a real good defense would be to have the car start for them and take them sraight to the nearest police station. Then again, i don't wanna be the coder for that program...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jthiani
    Guys...im not shooting blanks here....i've researched this. i know excatly what im doing. and as much work time and effort ive put into my car not to mention money (as im sure most of you have) i will be damed if i will let any yahoo break in and steal or damage it all. I will do everythign i leagally can to prevent this. the only legal risks i face by doing this at this time are civil, and we all know theres really no gurantee with this one !!!!!
    I hope your 98 Range Rover and installed hardware are worth more than a huge lawsuit in the event you actually consider going through with your idea. Maybe SeaLawyer could clarify, but if someone were to come after you with a suit, they could probably come after your seraniautomation/house/personal funds as well.

    I don't know much about laws, but what you are attempting to do is definately not legal. Yes, it's fun to talk about. Better yet, is when you try to implement your security system, just to have someone completely steal your entire vehicle (rather than your system).

    I really am glad people come to discuss their bright ideas here first, rather than trying to implement then off the bat. Hopefully we can talk some sense into the bad ideas.

    I mean, if I was a criminal, and saw a car with stickers advertising high voltage protection used - I would really think there was something expensive inside the car. If I took the stickers seriously, I'd find a buddy with a tow truck, move the vehicle to a safe place and chop it.

    Why don't you just tint the windows really dark, get an alarm capable of paging you when there's a breach, and call it a day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senseless228
    if it is successful, you'd be spening a good amount of time being sued, and i'd rather have something stolen, and covered by my insurance, than to go to court for weeks/months on end, just because of this

    the chances of failure/accidental people shocked far outweighs the likelihood of this succeeding, atleast from the info/logic i'm gathering on this thread

    it seems like its legally a gray area

    like all my redneck friends say "if someone trespasses, its better to kill them than to injure them, cuz if they're alive, they can sue" and the sad thing is, they seem to have a good chance in court

    by all means, it would be really cool if this worked, but as i've been reading for the last year on the anti-theft posts, 99% of the time, when you have a defense system that injures the theif, they will retaliate, the easier you make it, the less damage is caused, if you put razor blades behind your headunit, they will tear up your dash out of spite, the last thing a thief wants is to look/feel stupid, so if you make them look/feel stupid they'll get back at you

    shock them on the handle, they'll bash in your windshield/slash your tires

    make it hard to get in without injuring them, the best idea i've read on this topic, which i didn't follow up, is to put high pitched speakers that are hidden behind your dash, so they dont have enough time to find it before they can't stand the high pitch anymore, and they can't take out your screen because they're spending their whole time finding the siren/speaker, i like that idea

    my advice, get a paging alarm system, and up your insurance, quickest/easiest way to do it, and the least hassle if actually broken into.
    Now this is the kind of responce i appreciate. sensible and backed up by factual logic. this kind of responce displays a good level of inteligence on the part of the person who posted it unlike some shameless responces ive seen (case and point Mr. Judge Advocate General !!!) i will definatly take your responce under advisement

    Quote Originally Posted by SnyperBob
    I don't know much about laws, but what you are attempting to do is definately not legal. Yes, it's fun to talk about. Better yet, is when you try to implement your security system, just to have someone completely steal your entire vehicle (rather than your system).

    I really am glad people come to discuss their bright ideas here first, rather than trying to implement then off the bat. Hopefully we can talk some sense into the bad ideas.

    I mean, if I was a criminal, and saw a car with stickers advertising high voltage protection used - I would really think there was something expensive inside the car. If I took the stickers seriously, I'd find a buddy with a tow truck, move the vehicle to a safe place and chop it.

    Why don't you just tint the windows really dark, get an alarm capable of paging you when there's a breach, and call it a day.
    thanks for the responce. based on "some of the sensible" posts here i might have to rethink this system and use the super high pitch sounder instead. i have two appointmnets with civil attorney next week to get some advice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jthiani
    yeah it would go right throught the glove. A very high voltage current say 50,000 volts, would go throught even thick winter clothes...remember this is the same technology stun guns use. If you manage to get gloves thick enough to prevent getting zapped, then you hand will not fit in the door handle to get it open...and remember there are electrodes inside the car as well......and the location of these in my car would no be advertised. !!!!!!
    That is not true if you use a rubber glove, the material determines the voltage needed to get through it. I looked at this more to keep cats from peeing on my car

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    Quote Originally Posted by sxott
    That is not true if you use a rubber glove, the material determines the voltage needed to get through it. I looked at this more to keep cats from peeing on my car
    Cats? I wouldn't bother. I had this cat who was just evil. Willful. Did things to **** me off intentionally (would stare at me while doing it, and wouldnt' stop until I started getting up and the run and hide).

    I tried a sonic deterent. She broke it while I was sleeping. So I got a dog trainer (zapper) for a small dog. Man, you couldn't hold that thing on "5", I turned it all the way to "10", she just tensed a bit and gave me the stink eye.

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    Talking Consider a more legal Piezo Siren

    First of all hiding everything is your best bet(Fold-away screen, consealing door, tint, stealth trunk mounting). And consider the effect of having car alarm decals discretly on two or so windows and a blinking red LED. Sometimes criminals do not want to put for the effort when the next car is without an alarm (after market anyway). Third, if they make the effort to break the window, sound an ear piercing piezo siren. Hidden deep within the dash, the alarm is triggered no one wants to enter the car with 110db 3khz siren blaring. Infact, my install will feature such a siren inside and out powered off of the second battery as well as a strobe to illuminate the night. As far as retaliation goes, no way to win that one. And with all systems designed by hoomans, there is a chance of back fire. Cats also don't like loud noises and blinking lights..just like the neighbors. The shock idea is cool, but not safe nor practical at this point.

    If I had my way, next thief gets to try his luck with my power antenna/tesla coil. Also some radio active goo to making tracking down get-aways easy with my giger counter.

    Make something idiot proof, and they'll make a better idiot. Car modification is not just a hobby, it is a business.

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    ...put the electrodes in the seat...I think I remember some anti-carjack system that was setup with electrodes in the seat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jthiani
    Now this is the kind of responce i appreciate. sensible and backed up by factual logic. this kind of responce displays a good level of inteligence on the part of the person who posted it unlike some shameless responces ive seen (case and point Mr. Judge Advocate General !!!) i will definatly take your responce under advisement
    First off, it's "Case-in-point"... If you're going to attempt to insult my intelligence level, at least get your idioms correct. Secondly, the "shameless"-ness of my post was in response to your absolute and unwavering insistence that it's legal simply because "someone" in law enforcement told you it was. Real "sensible." That and I was bored, so I couldn't resist the alliterative possibilities.

    thanks for the responce. based on "some of the sensible" posts here i might have to rethink this system and use the super high pitch sounder instead. i have two appointmnets with civil attorney next week to get some advice.
    I'm glad you're rethinking it, whether it was my non-"sensible" post that did it or not. However, if you choose to proceed, I'd recommend retaining a criminal defense attorney in addition to a civil attorney. If it's criminal, then you're automatically liable on the civil side. You also might want to look into an "umbrella" insurance policy to help mitigate the impact when you're sued for wrongful death...

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    Remeber that scene from I think it was Robocop 2 or 3, where it was a commercial for a car alarm and the crook gets in and then gets crispy fried from the electric shock system, the owner comes back and just dumps the body out of the car and drives off.
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