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Thread: Garmin-PC, Navigator11-FREE and Odyssey Navigator Comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stretch4x4 View Post
    I'm thinking collaborative Navigation software building time
    Yes something to think about, along with all the other stuff I’ve started and put on hold as a higher priority (read -more fun) idea comes along for me to play with, I’m sure time could be found.

    BTW- I’m half way through fitting two-way alarm feedback and /remote start with can-bus interface to the factory alarm and door/window system, then there is the hardware integrated Mobile Phone idea I have for the FE, just to name a few. Will it ever end? Actually I don’t want that answered


    From the pictures on the last post, you can see why I like Odyssey.
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    Yes I have fought with this when using google maps on my phone and my aldi GPS with IGO.
    I do quite like the zoom in and out thing but it never seemed to zoom back out far enough to find the next turn.. However it did have the next turn listed in the top left which sort of helps..
    I think I am just so used to driving off a static google map or in my head that without seeing the big picture I get nervous..

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    Ok that makes sense; these apps will zoom out to a full AU map though.

    Anbd the reason I use zoom a lot is because the GPS applications embed into my FE and therefore are controlled from my feDrive panel with its Rotary encoder. So rotating the encoder zoom’s in or out and pushing the encoder flip’s views. A double push of the encoder brings up the “Where To” window. It’s so easy and convenient this way which is why I’m so picky about having it.
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    I have Odyssey and from the trial version I tested thought it was the best navigation sw for CarPC use.

    The only problem I have is its non-portability...as I am still setting up my Carputer and have been upgrading BIOS to get 800x480 screen resolution and changing CF cards to bigger/faster as my installation adds apps, so now the license says it is unregistered and only allows 5 mins of operation until I press the screen to acknowledge.
    It has been a year since I purchased it and about time I purchase an update to the maps so that will give me a new license to tie into my current setup BUT while I fully agree with licensing to prohibit copying, I would like it to allow upgrades to certain hardware like BIOS, HDD/CF without the need to purchase a new license...sometimes HDD/CF fail and a reinstall is required but that does not mean the sw is being copied to use on a second PC.
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    Hi and thanks for the feedback on Odyssey.

    Yes, I agree with you as do most users, this was the same problem with the SW version of Garmin-PC in relation to the SW & MAPS. As stated earlier, my version of Garmin-PC has the MAPS and Licence tied to the HW (GPS mouse) which brings licensing into line with any portable GPS receiver you would normally buy. Shame Odyssey can’t do that.

    Having said that, I would normally update my maps every year or two, in AU Map updates for Odyssey are around half the price of Garmin updates (unless I get Lifetime updates) so I’m reasonably happy with this.

    I wonder if you contact them prior to changing hardware wether they could offer a lower cost solution as the site appears to suggest. As you say, quite often we update MB and system hardware more often in a Car PC, so not having on-line deregister - reregister options for SW tied to PC HW for its registration is a pain. Can’t remember if the SW version of Garmin-PC offered that at one time?
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    For anyone interested, here is a short video of Odyssey Navigator running with Autozoom switched off.

    Running the Map in 2D now allows full map zoom in or out while still retaining 3D turn zoom as Odyssey auto switches to 3D with map turn zoom. Odyssey auto switches back to 2D and the last selected map zoom until the approach to the next turn.

    Note: the Player Keys that appear on screen are only there because Odyssey is running a simulation (No GPS connected)

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    I gave Odyssey’s POI info a low mark compared to Garmin-PC and it still is, however it’s not as bad as I thought. The BIG problem though is a flaw in how it determines what POI’s to show OR how the POI that I looked for was indexed, so it may be random, more testing on that one I guess.

    If you search “Near Vehicle” then it finds Shop XYZ about 500 yards away. If you search “Around City” and the shop is in a suburb which is part of that city and still only 500 hundred yards away it won’t list it. But it will list every other XYZ shop from 5 to 30 miles away but in a different City.

    Where Garmin will not only list the Main Airport terminal but every Carrier in that Airport and take you to the individual departure door, Odyssey only lists the Main terminals.

    Not that important but it may be to someone.
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    My thoughts after using the GUI and touch screen control of these three applications.

    Garmin-PC: When you think about it, Garmin was designed for a Laptop PC, mouse and keyboard. Yes touch screen control is pretty good but it was never designed with an OSK and was therefore not designed solely as a Touch Screen application.

    Iíve used Garmin for almost two years and itís a familiar interface because it looks almost exactly the same as my standalone Garmin GPS, and of course they use the same maps and data. After using Odyssey for only a day or so I now find Garmin slightly unfriendly (if that makes sense) and harder to use.

    MapFactor Navigator11: Is designed around Touch Screen control, itís good in some ways but frustrating in others and Garmin is still easier and friendlier for touch screen control. I would rate Nav11 as the least friendly application to use of the three.

    Odyssey Navigator: Now this is just great, actually no, its better, its GUI is almost perfect. Designed for touch screen operation and it really shows. There is almost nothing to not like here and itís an absolute joy to use quickly and efficiently. Its layout is logical and it has a very-very short learning curve. It just works and itís the only app that has not suddenly locked or stopped working in some way during the tests.

    I finally had a chance to give Odyssey another decent on road test today, this time with the 2D, 3D-zoom switching mode enabled. This mode is shown in the short video I posted earlier. Dam its good, itís what I had been looking for but didnít realise it until I used it. The usefulness of this mode is hard to describe until you actually start using it.

    Ok almost done and enough rambling, so final thoughts on the GUI. Navigator11 may be free and if I hadnít used Odyssey I may have been happy with some of its GUI limitations and operational idiosyncrasies but not after using Odyssey.

    I would go out and purchase Odyssey any day of the week if I was a constant user of GPS, which I am.

    Final thoughts: To be fair, MapFactor Navigator11 when connected to the internet is a lot better and has some nice features in that mode, but I just donít like using its GUI. Garmin also supports an internet connection for some online data retrieval, Weather data, Airline schedules etc. And while it may be possible to skin Navigator11 and Odyssey to change the layout, a lot of apps allow for this, Iím testing the three out of the box, so to speak.
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    Some info for anyone interested in Odyssey with a view to embedding it in a FE:

    As I said in an earlier post, Odyssey will not resize “correctly” if forced to resize via a Windows API call. It will clip when forced to a smaller size so half your map and controls could be hidden.

    I run my FE full screen so I hadn’t bothered looking any further, but I decided to take another look in case someone was interested.

    Odyssey will scale perfectly to any size if you edit the correct system INI file (text file). So you could manually fit it to the FE size or modify the system file on the fly.

    FIY - When scaled from full screen the application adds a typical Windows form open/close button and border but I these could be clipped by forcing a slight resize in the FE. Garmin always has a border but again, different FE apps can remove these by over scanning. Navigator free does not have a border at any time.


    I tried a number of command line arguments but this application would not respond to anything I tried.

    Odyssey will position correctly via the API and it will take keystrokes sent via SW from within the FE to allow control of the following key functions.

    FIY - I use Map zoom in/out, View and Main Menu commands sent via the FE from my Rotary encoder and control buttons.

    So once again here are the only Key commands that the program would respond to and as before, Odyssey will not take any Numeric or Character input from an external keyboard, it’s strictly OSK.

    F1 - Zoom out
    F2 - Zoom in
    F3 - Map view toggle
    F4 - Heading changes
    F5 - Volume down
    F6 - Mute toggle on/off
    F7 - Volume Up
    SPACE - Main Menu
    ENTER - Selects a highlighted Menu item
    Back-Space - Open “Find & Go” Menu
    ESC - Closes some menus and goes back to a previous screen on others
    Arrow keys - panning the map and some menu navigation
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    I expect you have a custom FE ?
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