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    Hi, thanks for the heads up on that RR info.

    Yes I’m running a custom FE and Odyssey embeds perfectly in my FE. I thought the main concern would be someone running a FE in a window on the Desktop, why you would do that? I don’t know, but I’ve seen some questions on the forums about doing it.

    The other GPS programs will resize like any standard Win App. Odyssey won’t, but it can be manually made to do so, so it’s not really a problem. I had a look at the RR system.ini file for Odyssey and they are running Odyssey in full-screen mode with that posted ini file, so I assume RR runs only/mainly full screen.

    Having never used another FE I’m at a disadvantage here as I know nothing about them or how people use them, but for anyone wondering about the FE I use: It’s primarily designed for vehicle system Interface and tied to a number of dedicated system control Microprocessors along with full dedicated hardware control over the FE (iDrive type) as well as the normal touch screen control. I guess it’s at the opposite end of a fully configurable central media control and application control interface type of FE.
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    I downloaded the latest free maps from “OpenStreetMaps” for Garmin-PC and gave them a try.

    Some major upgrades to roads were completed in December 2009 in my area. The 2011 map update from Garmin (really, it’s late 2010) still shows the old construction. The free OS maps I just installed correctly show all major road upgrades and most of the minor changes as well. The latest Maps that came with Odyssey are also pretty much up to date.

    With that in mind I compared Navigator11-free to Garmin-PC using the same maps, Garmin-PC still has the best display but in reality I’d happily use either.

    What is interesting is that for the areas I looked at, the latest NATVEQ.010330 dated 2011/08/24 Odyssey maps are in some cases not as detailed or as up to date as OSM’s. OS maps running in Garmin show shopping centre car park layout and area outlines with most parking areas indicated correctly. I’m really impressed with these OSM Maps, especially running in Garmin.

    If it weren’t for Garmin Map POI data base I think I would be happy to use OSM and save myself a lot of money, actually if further testing proves OSM’s to be as good as they appear then I think I’ll dump Garmin Maps anyway and see if I can contribute to OSM in some way to help keep it viable.

    To those already using the latest OS maps, if you feel inclined, please let the rest of us know what you think of them.

    Only thing I would say about the OSM site is that for someone not familiar with mapping it can be a little confusing at first to find what you want. Yes, I know there is lots of how to info there but I guess it's such a complex subject when dealing with Maps from everywhere for various types of GPS device's and SW.



    UPDATE: Major problems with POI and OSM.

    No matter what I do I cannot get Navigator11 with OS maps to find the Major Domestic and International Airport, and its POI layout IMHO just s****. Garmin with OS maps will find them but one is incorrect as it’s not the departure terminal.

    Odyssey has no problems, just a few clicks and it’s on its way correctly. Garmin with its own maps has more specific exact terminal locations but really Odyssey and Garmin-PC (with own maps) are similar for these locations.

    So for me the sticking point with OS maps is still the POI. If POI is of no concern to you then OSM map data looks great so far.
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    More really interesting info!
    When I have some free time which seems to be very scarce at the minute I will see if I can help you with those POIs. Should be a way to improve that somehow without masssive amounts of work.

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    Hey I know what thats like! Still seems strange that Nav11 POI will not list the major Airport but Garmin-PC with the same map set (all other maps completely removed) will show the Airport in POI so it’s in the map set POI list.

    BTW, I had to travel to that Airport at 10pm last night and used Odyssey, its better that Garmin-PC and both are better again than NAV-11 with spoken directions, really is no need to glance at the GPS at all with Odyssey.

    Cheers.
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    I always mute the directions Can't stand being repeatedly told what to do hahahaha

    Hmm yeah now that is odd when it is the same data set.. sounds like Nav11 has a problem with seraching / using those POIs which is sad.. I wonder if it is a bug that could be raised..

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    10Hz GPS

    This is a QSTARZ BT-Q818XT with 1~10Hz update rate, Bluetooth and USB connectivity and a built-in rechargeable Li-ion battery. It has a 3 pos switch for OFF - 1Hz - 10Hz.

    Baud Rate is quoted at 115,200 bps, however it seems to auto-negotiate the baud rate as GPS software applications show different connect speeds and will operate at any speed I set them to. I would think that update rate my change as well? – More testing.

    Navigator11-free found the port and connected with a GPS fix.

    Garmin and Odyssey had trouble at first. Odyssey would not find the GPS device but manually setting the port made it happy and the World map rotated as though it had a connection, but no satellite data indicated. Garmin would find the port but again show no data. Changing the GPS-RX switch from 10 to 1 Hz made no difference.

    I ran the QstarzGpsView v1.2.23 application that I downloaded from the Qstarz site and decided to try fixing? the Rate at 10Hz in the device – Don’t know exactly what is changing here as there is no information and I haven’t had a chance to do a web search yet. However all GPS applications now run after doing that.

    Garmin: updating really fast as I drive. Sat signal strength Bar graph update looks almost real time. Looks like around 5Hz update on the map though – more testing, but really nice to look at so far.

    Navigator11: Very smooth, must be doing some averaging of the display update as it’s as smooth as silk, even when turning, just glides around.

    Odyssey: Looks to be fixed internally at a 1 second display update – more searching to do.

    This GPS is really sensitive – shows greater RX strength that the Garmin x20 and appears to locks faster from cold.

    BTW: I had to convert Garmin-PC back to what appeared to be a new install state (just a folder change in the User area) and then modify it to a Software only installation (not tied to the X20 GPS) Overcome the MAP unlock issue and was then able to run it with this GPS on a COM port.

    I’ll try and take some screen recordings of Garmin and NAV-11 at the faster update when I get a chance to go for another drive.
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    I had actually given up on trying to find current GPS software for PC for Australia, until I found this thread. Thank you very much for supplying all this fantastic info! Just about to buy Odyssey Navigator then read the post about it being hardware locked, which would make it useless to me as I'm about to do another car PC build. Can you let us know if Twig solutions give some kind of compromise on this?

    Are you able to tell me what kind of format the sound files for the voice guidance are in? Are they easily accessable / modifiable?

    Anthony.

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    Hi, great to hear that this thread has been of some help.

    The Audio files are .OGG and are easily accessible along with most graphic images used in the software. I would email Twig; the owner is easy to talk to and responds quickly.

    I'm not too concerned with changing hardware as I would update maps every 12 months anyway. I believe the cost of another licence is reasonable and they may be able to help if you contact them.

    I changed processors the other day from an i3 to and i5 (low power ver) and there was no problem. Changing a motherboard would be a problem though. Mention the forum if you email him as I told him I was doing a bit of a write-up.
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    Excellent. I was previously using nroute, but got irritated with the British Enlgish voice so I ran a batch process on the sound files to make her sound like Satan. Much more satisfying. Sounds like I can do the same thing with Odyssey.

    Just realised that the GPS mouse I purchased 5 years ago came from him also. Small world.

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    There are around 130 files in each language directory. They are named by the text they say so it should be easy. I hated the Australian voice but found the US voice good, I swapped the roundabout file (US announces it as a circle) with the British file and set it for US language. Hope they can work something out for you with reg.

    Cheers.
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