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    I too have thought about this, and I know it is easy to manipulate and all, but there have to be checks somewhere right?

    I don't know really anything about NMEA protocols and such, but when you start tracking a satellite, does it has to have some unique ID to validate it as the satellite you want right? So therefore, if you made a program that gave you all the info and the 3+ satellites that gave you that info, wouldn't that be more reliable?

    Maybe something that is hashed with the system time so if you were to try and edit it after the fact, the time would have changed, therefore the hash value too.

    Just guessing. The cops around here are evil in a can.
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    This is the second time today I have heard horror stories abiout TX cops.

    Unfortunately, the cops in your area need to be broiught back down to reality and the law. Unfortunately, you and some friends might have to work at it a little. First, you should look into wether TX is a one party or two party recording state. Then, in accordance with the law, record the conversation when you get stopped.

    Ask to see the radar gun. If he refuses, ask why. If he says it is dangerous, ask him to state WHY it is dangerous. I would do all I could when I get pulled over to make the stop as safe as possoble. Pull into a parking lot where there is little chance of getting hit by a car. If he still refuses, ask the officer, who is out of his car anyway, when he comes over to get your license and registration, ask him to take your camera and snap a picture of the radar gun, this way he doesn't have to make an extra trip back to your car. You can even tell him that you will provide him a copy of the picture, to use as evidence AGAINST you if the picture shows a number above the speed limit. Of course, if you are safely parked in a parking lot that should not be an issue. If he refuses, like I said, ask him to state why it is not possible to take a picture of the gun if you give him the camera. . There aslo is probably a state law that says he has to show it to you, which might help you fight the ticket if he refuses all your attempts to get a picture/see the radar gun. You should look into the laws in your state.

    Try to somehow indicate where you stopped. This might actually mean subpaena-ing the recording of the 2 way communications recording, or perhaps the officers body microphone ( in LA, all traffic officers record the conversation you have with them when they pull you over). If you must, take a picture of the officers car behind your, with an address or street sign, or cross street in the background, then do so. You may need to get a bunch of your friends to do this also when they get stopped. You need this to prove that the area was safe for you to see the radar unit, and if he refused, that there must be some reason why he didn't want you to see it.

    The more they lose, the less likely they will issue bogus tickets. Also, if you collect some good evidence, you can go to the local newspaper or TV to do a story. Also, illegal car stops are a violation of you civil rights. Done enough times, and with enough proof, you can file a suite against the police shief and the town for violating your rights. There are rich organi*tions which might help you with that. Also, the FBI (and maybe even the TX rangers) will investigate these abuses.

    Try not to act defensless. You need to learn your rights, and do what you can to protect them.

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    Although a cops word isn't hard evidence, like I said, why would a judge ever take your word over a cops? And like another said getting a judge that knows what the hell you are presenting to him would be a problem, might work for you since he wouldn't know it was easily modified.

    Wired's ideas are your best route.
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    I was just ticketed for a 50 in a 35, it was a 45 mph zone and I was doing about 50. I requested the video from the patrol car, which has the bodymic streamed in, but was given the run around saying I needed to contact the courthouse, and the court house told me to contact the police station. After giving up on that, I was pulled over again by the same officer claiming I was doing 70 in a 35 (I was doing about 30) He then smiled and told me to have a good day. My guess is someone told him I was trying to get the tape and he didn't like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaBoOoM View Post
    Although a cops word isn't hard evidence, like I said, why would a judge ever take your word over a cops? And like another said getting a judge that knows what the hell you are presenting to him would be a problem, might work for you since he wouldn't know it was easily modified.

    Wired's ideas are your best route.
    Yes, the county judge has sided with me everytime like I said...it's the city judge I'm afraid of.

    I have fought many citations in court, and have rarley seen a bias judge. They usually really care to set things right. Sometimes they will let you plead to a non traffic fine...so you don't get points, and they still get money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 96TransAm View Post
    I was just ticketed for a 50 in a 35, it was a 45 mph zone and I was doing about 50. I requested the video from the patrol car, which has the bodymic streamed in, but was given the run around saying I needed to contact the courthouse, and the corut house told me to contact the police station. After giving up on that I was pulled over again by the same officer claiming I was doing 70 in a 35 (I was doing about 30) He then smiled and told me to have a good day. My guess is someone told him I was trying to get the tape and he didn't like that.
    Your problem is a lack of legal knowledge. You have to SUBPOENA that. That has nothing to do with the court, or the police. You "serve" the police with the subpoena, along with the district or city or county attorney with a copy. In almost all states I know of, failure to comply with a subpoena can be held against the person refusing the subpoena. You then use that in court to show that the police are trying to hide things. Then, when they do it again, and claim there was a technical issue with the recorfing, you say the samething, and it gets dismissed. Will the cops go after you even harder, definitely, but if you beat them each time, you can file a grievance and a lawsuite against them for harrassment.

    Now, imagine you have a tape of that stop. Why did he not cite you for 70 in a 35. With a copy of your proof of service of the subpoena, you could show a judge that you were being harrassed for excersizing your right to subpoena the recording.

    You REALLY need to learn the law, or hire an attorney.

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    Yeah, I bet a lawyer would give you some free advice. Whenever someone in my family or I don't have the legal knowledge we ask a lawyer. I would think most would be happy to because of the possibility of getting a client.
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    I am in the process of getting my car ready for a day at the track. As part of my preparation I am making building a cruise camera mount to put over my shoulder to make a video of the experience. You could do the same and as long as you capture the speedo as well as the road in front of you you should have more evidence than before. I think it would be harder to argue with a video tape than a text read out. Digital tape is relatively cheap or you can have a digital video card in the car computer that records the signal.

    There is even a company that makes an integrated DVR/Camera setup
    http://www.cruisecam.com/
    It isn't cheap but probably as cheap as a good lawyer. Plus you get all the video of your significant other doing all the things they say that they don't do.
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    If the Cruise Cam had a built in rear view so it could see the police officer pulling me over while taping my MPH then it might help...but the officer and judge can always say my speedo was not calibrated which is something they often say.

    But, that along with the GPS should be enough to easily get phony cases dismissed. Although, the cruise cam setup really isn't very practical for everyday driving. The mounts ae big and bulky, and you need to mount a camera on top of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 96TransAm View Post
    Yes, the county judge has sided with me everytime like I said...it's the city judge I'm afraid of.

    I have fought many citations in court, and have rarley seen a bias judge. They usually really care to set things right. Sometimes they will let you plead to a non traffic fine...so you don't get points, and they still get money.
    Exactly what happened to me on my motorcycle. My garmin showed my speed accurately, however the time of the citation was off by over an hour. Therefore I was able to prove that I was in another county at the actual time. The judge didn't toss it out, but paying a non moving fine was much cheaper than 74 in a 55. Lesson learned.

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