Thread: Renault Radiosat 6010 / Philips D2B cd changer emulator

Hi,
Did you success to create your cd changer emulator?

I have a Peugeot 406coupe MY97 with a Philips radio and cd changer. Some years ago I begin to analyse the cd changer protocol to design an emulator and replace it by MP3 player. Finally I renounced because I had not success to understood its protocol.

During my protocol analysis, I did same observations as you about voltage and timing.
To record messages, I used a RS485 device to convert low dual voltage signals to TTL, connected to a laptop by LPT port, from software side, I used a small program, like data logger, running in kernel mode under Linux to save signal state and timing transition with better accuracy possible.
Next I tried to recognise a protocol, here I failed!!!

So, I will re analyse my logs with your informations. I hope I will able to identify cmd and so on... And give a feedback...

Hi Titiben,

great to hear that there are more people wanting to use such an emulator.

The current status is that I have written some PIC code that should be working, but I got a bit lazy and haven't de-bugged it nor have I compled the driver circuit for the radio. It isn't too far off completion, but I got busy first, then lazy. I will let you know when I give it the final push!

PCP

Oh.. and also - what radio do you use?
Does it look like the Renault one? Does it show you minutes + seconds when playing cds?
I tested another Philips radio that required the cd changer to report the timing, which I haven't implemented in my variant. That radio had a basic setting which allowed the Aux in to be enabled, even without a cd changer, so I figured it would be wasted effort.

Hi PCP,

Which kind of driver do you use between your PIC and cd changer bus?
Is my RS485 hypothesis valid?

I try to re analyse my data next week-end.

Titiben

Hi Titiben,

I was going to use a simple two transistor circuit and some resistors. I found a diagram in one of the patent documents. HOWEVER, I haven't tested it to check that it gives appropriate voltage levels, nor that it is fast enough. Basically the resistances are known (and the values I measured were the same as in that patent document), so adding some transistors to switch should work, if a bit crudely.

I haven't explored the RS485 direction, so I can't say whether it works.

I won't have time myself this weekend, but might after that. It is good that I have a reason to complete the task that has been lying around for so long!

PCP

Hi PCP,

My radio is 4050 and my CD changer is DC012. The radio display is not include in radio but located in dashboard and this radio does not display cd time information just track and cd number.
In fact it is a quite basic system!

Titiben

Hi PCP, I've read your post and your documentation and started to put up together something. There is though one thing, at the moment, I would need some help with. As far as I understood, the communication on this physical channel is some king of pulse coded binary. So every bit is a pulse, with a "zero" being longer than a "one" (in short words). Now, I've looked at your samples and tried to plot something to get a picture of what is going on(I will add it if someone interested). It is very clear that reference level is 2.5V(the 2.48V sampled is probably because noise) and a data pulse has an amplitude of 2.5V (pulse duration gives the bit value 0 or 1). At first I thought it is differentially transmitted on both wires but then, plotting both "+" and "-" (based on your sampling) I realized that "-" is just a shifter with 2.5V for "+" signal to increase immunity to noise (on the ground line), sort of reference voltage. Now, you were talking about some mV values which I can't fit anywhere. Further, there are some spikes(close to 5V, very short ones), I would say periodically but not sure yet, can you tell me what is it about those. Are they start bits? I need to clarify first physical channel basics and then I will proceed with data link layer above. Please assist me with any comments.

Thanks,
Radu.

OK, I've took some time to look more over PCP's samples and things started to make sens. But not entirely. I've plotted the samples and tried reproduce the binary information PCP added in the other document posted. I've added a snapshot of a sequence (part of 13bit recipient address). My binary understanding of it is 0000111001000 while PCP is 1111001101111. Regarding the plotted image, my premises were a period of around 23us and a long pulse means "0" while a short pulse means "1" (this was taken from a patent file PCP referred to). The timing is in us and the amplitude in V (pulses at about 2.5V). The timing for following fields/frames(like sender ...) have different timings (shorter) - I will come back on them in future posts.
PCP, or anybody else, please give me some info on how to interpret this signal correctly. Thanks.

I've decided to design and prepare myself a data acquisition device, capable to trace this bus. I'll come back to you with updates when I have some