ok, back to topic, but I think you missunderstood what I ment. I have no doubt or questioning of mapletree's recordings, I'm sure there awesome, I more ment that in a car processing is 100% necissary, & that method of no processing is not good for a car.
We are definately on the same page, Got to have precessing and I will opt for all digital processing here.. I would like to see some of the legendary cars from Speakerworks and others in the 80's early 90's face to face with todays cars with powerful DSPs..
Originally Posted by turbocad6
If the old ones do sound as good, they did it at 10 times the cost and 20 times the time trying different speaker locations etc...
I don't think the ranes & the eqt's of then could keep up with the processing power of today, but then again I do think they were enough to get the job done too... would be an interesting comparison... I think it's more like drag racing, the early great ones were great for there time, but through technology , the best of yesterday is almost easily surpassed today.
Just for reference, here's a list of the available dbx products which can be PC-controlled:
I also checked with AudioControl, just for shiz n giggles, and they offer nothing PC-controlled.
If I go the DCX2496 route, will I lose the ability to use my DSATX Brainstem?
Only when you need to tune it. Once finished, unplug the serial cable to the DCX. Audio is still transmited via analog or digital to AES.
Originally Posted by turbocad6
I think we have a better understanding of the biggest factors in car audio that do damage to the sound and we have newer, better ways of playback other than typical "stereo" *cough ambiophonics *cough VBAP
Originally Posted by Felix509
In theory if properly done, the old ones would never be able to compete.
Today, I'm leaning towards the RF 3sixty.2. I stopped by a local shop, and the owner has one in his car, and we went out and played around with it, using both his Palm Pilot and his laptop, and everything looked pretty slick.
I'm hoping to get some response on programming for the 3sixty units in this thread: http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/soft...velopment.html
I would hardly call it cheating ;)
I work for BSS Audio a pro audio company that is a devision of Harman Int.(same factory as DBX)
This comes with many perks, like access to any of the Harman Brands at below cost. I have been planning a CarPc using as many Harman products as possible for some time now.
I already have a BSS Audio Soundweb 9088iis that will be my 8x8 DSP. It is open architecture, PC configured and PC controlled through custom created GUI's. When comparing sonics, nothing comes close. I can micro time align each driver for optimum response at the listening position. I could even program a preset that is triggered off a pressure sensor in the passenger seat recalling a different set of EQ curves and time settings to account for the second body in the listening area. This is similar technology that the guys in the Harman Becker Laboratories use when developing new Automotive audio technologies. Every new Automotive system offered by any of the manufacturers have DSP as the core of the system.
Feel free to contact me about DSP systems, its my job ;)
Its funny how many of the concepts pioneered by this community are now showing up in OEM systems.
Here is Phase 1 build out:(* denotes milestone complete)
*'96 Nissan 300zx-TT Stage 2
*Pioneer AVHP6500DVD (2ch pre outs to 9088)
*Lilliput 7" tft Monitor integrated into sun visor
DIN mounted USB Optical drive (CD/DVD burner)
Car pc mounted in electronics void (6ch outs to 9088)
Soundweb 9088iis DSP - system EQ, crossover, time correction, source select and mixing
*4ch stock Bose amplified speakers
Enclosure and mounting for the 9088
replace stock Bose speakers w/ Infinity components
add HF drivers to LF and RF locations (bi-amped front channels)
Replace stock Bose amplifiers w/ (2) JBL GTO-75.4
add Infinity BassLinkT system
Add USB GPS
Wire night vision camera to AVHP6500
Modify Soundweb to work off modified M3-ATX power supply (remove inverter)
z_lust, any links to the processor you're talking about? Prices? (consumer) link added in post #1
Also, the reason I called it cheating, is I'm a software person... IMO, the processing should be done on the PC, and then outputted to pre-amp, then amp. But I'm currently limited on processor, so I've been looking elsewhere for options.