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Post #91Originally Posted by thermoptic
pb
Mungwell:
I apologize for the GPL comments before. I thought you were repeating a very common assumption I regularly hear about the GPL. I do agree that it's probably the best license for you in this case.
Regarding the data in the chip, I'd be really surprised if code protect wasn't turned on. It's absurdly easy (just a config bit) and I haven't heard of a dev skipping it. I would have tried to read out the chip directly (and sniff things right at the UART pins) but my micro grabbers just aren't small enough for those pins, and I didn't feel like soldering jumpers to the SMT pads.
That all said, I wouldn't suggest even attempting to read out the firmware. In order to avoid claims of IP infringement I would think that you should do all you can to stay away from their software and just write your own. Doing this will keep MS from having any valid complaints.
ioi8: Microsoft can't legally have any problems with this. Wiping out the software and writing your own doesn't fall under any DMCA (or any other) claims. You are simply buying a piece of hardware and using it for your own purposes, without reusing any of their IP. Any photos published in order to document things should be fine as well, since they are just documenting things. I'd say don't worry about this at all.
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Well, looks like there is another option:
http://www.madcatz.com/Default.asp?Page=352
This mini-keyboard snaps onto a PS3 controller.. But this one is just a USB HID compliant keyboard. No drivers or hacking required, as far as I can tell so far. I'll try to find one in a local store, and if it works perfectly as keyboard for a PC, I'll let you all know!
Unfortunately, I suspect that the product quality of this Madcatz thing won't quite match the Microsoft Chatpad. Oh well.. At least it will probably talk to a computer without any problem.
For you guys that wanted to use a mini keyboard without a game controller.. This one's form factor is perfect for that!! Also, it doesn't plug into the controller, and, it's wireless. ..I don't know if it is back-lit, probably not. Like I said I'll try to purchase one and report back with what I find.
--Dave
Check the first response to the thread.
Well, looks like there is another option:
http://www.madcatz.com/Default.asp?Page=352
This mini-keyboard snaps onto a PS3 controller.. But this one is just a USB HID compliant keyboard. No drivers or hacking required, as far as I can tell so far. I'll try to find one in a local store, and if it works perfectly as keyboard for a PC, I'll let you all know!
Unfortunately, I suspect that the product quality of this Madcatz thing won't quite match the Microsoft Chatpad. Oh well.. At least it will probably talk to a computer without any problem.
For you guys that wanted to use a mini keyboard without a game controller.. This one's form factor is perfect for that!! Also, it doesn't plug into the controller, and, it's wireless. ..I don't know if it is back-lit, probably not. Like I said I'll try to purchase one and report back with what I find.
--Dave
BTW that keyboard works great.
1998 Camaro Worklog Starting over, New setup for 2010
Ok so I may be wayy off here but it seems to me that if the remote interfaces with the keyboard and the remote interfaces with the PC then the simplest thing to do would be to remove the remotes interface and hardwire it to the pc's main board. you could then in turn build a cable that would run from what was the bottom of the controller to wherever you mount the keyboard... does this make sense to anyone or am i just crazy??
It seems like an easy solution and since the remote interfaces easily it should not be hard to hardwire it to a usb port and have it recognize the keyboard
so if im way off base feel free to tell me but it seems like it would work
Zach
I bought one for my 360, the keyboard is nice.... you can see the keys in the dark, and it does not make the controller feel bulky like you expect. Infact i play all my games with it on, because it doesnt get in the way.esthetics, I mean look at it... you gotta see it in person without the controller attached, it's just beautiful & sleek... no comparison really...
edit: & oh yeah,did I mention it's backlit
I do know that you can buy the piece to use the 360 controller on your PC. So it can be done. I assume the keyboard will work the same way. My CarPC has SEGA Genesis, Super NES, NES, Game Boy Advance, SEGA CD, Sega 32X, so this would be ok in my setup. For people that dont have games, having a controller with a built in keyboard would be awkward.
Alternative Tiny USB Keyboard
Hey, I was looking around for micro usb keyboards and came across one that looked like it was just as small as the chatpad, except it's USB, QWERTY style, and has a standard FN(Function) Button for $33.39/€23.28/£15.40 they also have prices listed if you want to buy more than 1 - You should check it out!!!
Product Page: http://linitx.com/viewproduct.php?prodid=10779
Google Search (Led me right to it): http://www.google.com/search?q=tiny+...hl=en&safe=off
P.S. I think it's great you want to reverse engineer a product, even better that it's a Micro$uck product
NeoHax0r
whats up with all of these posts of other keyboards that don't do backlighting or anything that this thread is about. . .
1998 Camaro Worklog Starting over, New setup for 2010
don't worry, I think someone found the keyboard to replace all keyboards... sucks this one never got anywhere, I got a few of them laying around in various stages of disassembly. I woulda never believed using a microsoft keyboard on a microsoft computer would be such a challenge, but anyway, check this out. now if any keyboard is worthy of a permanent embedded install, that looks to be the one
only drawback is it's bluetooth, well, drawback to me anyway, I'd rather have a hard wired keyboard ideally, but I think that'll do nicely
MY NEWEST INSTALL:modded infiniti fx with big screen
first windows carpc install........my liquid cooled LVDS screen :D
Yea but remember, its made for a game system, and microsoft would have made it easy to use on a PC if they wanted too, obviously they didnt.don't worry, I think someone found the keyboard to replace all keyboards... sucks this one never got anywhere, I got a few of them laying around in various stages of disassembly. I woulda never believed using a microsoft keyboard on a microsoft computer would be such a challenge, but anyway, check this out. now if any keyboard is worthy of a permanent embedded install, that looks to be the one
only drawback is it's bluetooth, well, drawback to me anyway, I'd rather have a hard wired keyboard ideally, but I think that'll do nicely
As to the post asking why we are advertising other keyboards, well the reason is because we know it will never work, yea its nice... yea its sexy, but if some1 did mod it, it wouldnt even be wireless. I dont want cables all over the place.... (except for the game controllers for SEGA)
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