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    If you missed the blog post, here is a great Video of a forum member's iphone and IPOD touch installation. Wow!
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    I didn't get what he was saying about tethering the iPhone to the iPod touch. Did he mean that he was running the iPhone as a mobile hotspot and the iPod touch was connecting to that to get external web access? What was the app, MyWi?
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    I have asked Nathan for some more details. BBL.

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    I am using MyWi to tether the Iphone 3g connection to the Ipod touch.

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    I've seen a number of these "Smartphone will replace XXXX" articles and threads over the years. I think Smartphones do and will continue to have a sales impact on MP3 players, digital cameras, GPS devices, computers, and even Car PCs. But everything I have encountered seems to miss one big point; Smartphones do plenty of things adequately, but none of them superiorly.

    I sometimes carry a Swiss Army Knife for convenience. However, I still have drawers full of knives, cork screws, bottle openers, screwdrivers, saws, and other things. Why? Because of course they do a far better job than any Swiss Army Knife at what they are designed to do.

    That same is true of the Smartphone. I would fire the photographer who planned to shoot my wedding with one. My baby’s 1st year will be recorded on a HD camcorder. My 60GB iPod is the only thing I have big enough to contain all of my music. …and God forbid you try to listen to MP3 music, use GPS navigation, and talk on the phone (handsfree) at the same time using just your Smartphone. You really can’t do it, much less even remotely safely. However my Navigation head unit with Bluetooth handsfree will do it with little fuss.

    My point is there will always be a place for specialized tools and devices. "Do everything" tools are for convenience, but specialized items will often do it better. What you choose will depend on your needs.

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    Aren't PC's really "do everything" tools?

    Why do you need to lug around a hard disk with your music on it when you can stream it from your house or a server and have an unlimited amount of music at your fingertips?

    Why rely on outdated maps and lug them around with you when you can reference up to date and constantly improved maps on the web?

    Why waste your time ripping and saving your movies to a disk drive when you can download them from a library online? Or stream TV from your cable at your house or the web?

    And you can already listen to your music and talk on your phone at the same time, although I can't imagine why you'd want to. The only limitation on running nav at the same time is the memory and power of the processor. My experience with occasional app quitting on my iPhone 3G, which can run nav, stream Pandora and make a phone call while updating it's position in real time on the web using instamapper, is more stable on the the 3GS which has a faster processor and more memory.

    It's just a matter of time. There's no reason that the capacity and speed of smartphones won't increase while their cost decreases and the quality of their radios (BT/WiFi/Cell/3G) and networks improve in the very near future.

    Swiss Army knives aren't sprouting chainsaws or weed whackers. That's why they do a lot of things sort of well, in a pinch. Smartphones are a different item altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    Smartphones are a different item altogether.
    I liked the knife vs smartphone analogy at first, but it does fall apart pretty fast.
    • The Swiss Army knife consists of a collection of tools, where the smartphone is just the processor and display for a collection of electronic tools; the tools themselves are software.
    • The knife does only one thing at a time, where the smartphone multitasks.
    • To add capability, the knife has to get bigger, heavier and more unwieldy, where the smartphone just needs another program, or more processing power, or more memory, none of which add significantly -- if at all -- to its mass. In fact, smartphones can only get as small as their displays; otherwise, they could be far smaller, even as their capabilities increase.
    • The knife has to be controlled by the operator whenever it's in use, but the smartphone can do all sorts of things without user intervention.
    • The knife needs sharpening, cleaning and lubrication; the phone can be wiped off once in a while.

    There is one area where the Swiss Army knife clearly wins: I never have to charge mine.

    I'll still take one of each, please.
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    Agree and disagree

    Well,

    This is my first post to the forums. I read the original post while searching for an iPhone application for Streetdeck... Still looking, any ideas? But, I have had my iPhone since the 3G was brand new. Although, I love the phone for what it does well, I still bought a CarPC. I have tried the latest apps on the iPhone and plugged into the aux port on the Tundra. Still not what I want. So, I use the iPhone for those times when I need mobile access to these services like REAL GPS when my wife and I are hiking. Whoever said the iPhone has no real GPS needs to go with me to Palomar Mountain with ZERO AT&T towers and watch my GPS app work its wonders. I want/need multitasking. Real multitasking, not the limited apps that the MyTouch offers. I want my music to go into the background when I have NAV updates. I want to listen to Pandora at the same time my wife is uploading her new pictures. So on, and so on.

    I think the iPhone can run a good game for those that are not in the know. Hooking an iPhone to the car with a flimsy AC grill mount and plugging it into the aux port works for some but not for all of us geeks that want real computing in the whip.

    My $.02.

    P.S. My iPhone has 16Gig. My CarPC has 160GB plus my 500GB Drive for those long trips and trips to the desert plus DVD and twonkymedia to stream to my Toy hauler through my iPhone. I'm building a really cool power box to interface the CarPC to my generator in the camper with a simple plug. I'll control it with remote desktop in the camper where it's warm. I bet you're iPhone and Double DIN deck can't do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdholtz View Post
    I liked the knife vs smartphone analogy at first, but it does fall apart pretty fast.
    • The Swiss Army knife consists of a collection of tools, where the smartphone is just the processor and display for a collection of electronic tools; the tools themselves are software.
    • The knife does only one thing at a time, where the smartphone multitasks.
    • To add capability, the knife has to get bigger, heavier and more unwieldy, where the smartphone just needs another program, or more processing power, or more memory, none of which add significantly -- if at all -- to its mass. In fact, smartphones can only get as small as their displays; otherwise, they could be far smaller, even as their capabilities increase.
    • The knife has to be controlled by the operator whenever it's in use, but the smartphone can do all sorts of things without user intervention.
    • The knife needs sharpening, cleaning and lubrication; the phone can be wiped off once in a while.

    There is one area where the Swiss Army knife clearly wins: I never have to charge mine.

    I'll still take one of each, please.
    Thanks for the reply...I never really expected one, much less one that anyone put any thought into.

    Indeed no analogy will be perfect, but the basic point is that both are compromise choices between portability and usability. A smartphone certainly doesn't need to get bigger to add programs as a Swiss Army knife does to add tools. But both are still size limited. Clearly a Swiss Army knife needs to pick and choose which tools are included to maintain usefulness. But in the same way the smartphone user interface is limited to a certain screen size range and number/size of buttons.

    Being essentially general purpose devices, it is hard to optimize the UI for one particular purpose like a standalone device. Sure a smartphone can multitask, but all of the programs must still come through the same UI and this is almost always the limiting factor. You have programs not optimized for each other that often require complete control of the UI to work properly. So especially in an automotive environment, this leads an excessive need to swap between programs in an unsafe manner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mfoxworthy View Post
    Well,
    P.S. My iPhone has 16Gig. My CarPC has 160GB plus my 500GB Drive for those long trips and trips to the desert plus DVD and twonkymedia to stream to my Toy hauler through my iPhone. I'm building a really cool power box to interface the CarPC to my generator in the camper with a simple plug. I'll control it with remote desktop in the camper where it's warm. I bet you're iPhone and Double DIN deck can't do that.
    I'm willing to bet you that within just a very few years your iPhone will sport that much memory, but it really doesn't matter. With Dot.Tunes you can stream all your media from your house to your iPhone without limit.


    As for controlling the iPhone from your remote desktop, you obviously haven't jailbroken your iPhone. Cause if you did, you'd know that running Backgrounder and screensplitr along with Veency, you can remotely control your phone while you stream Pandora while getting those nav updates you wanted. While broadcasting your position live on the web.

    No question that desktop PC's are more powerful and versatile than a smart device. I don't think there's any disagreement about that. But of all the points I hear about PC vs. smart device (mainly on the capacity and speed side), the only one that holds water is the screen size. And it is important to note that smart devices represent a level of mobile computing that even laptops and netbooks don't provide. It is a real game changer and functionality that will never be matched by a PC.

    Take a look at the trajectory of development for smart devices vs. desktop devices. Smart devices are and will continue to increase in speed, storage and battery life. I'm certain that they will satisfy most consumers within the next few years along those lines. The screen size and interface are issues that will remain but I don't really see anyone saying that smart devices will *replace* a desktop PC. This thread is originally about smart devices replacing PNDs. That is throughly underway already.

    What we are witnessing today is the development of a product and capability that is brand new. A small, powerful, and connected device that changes the computing experience from a device focused one to a contextual one. You don't fire up your netbook to check your email when you're in line for your latte but check your smart phone? You bet. The revolution has only just begun.
    Quote Originally Posted by ghettocruzer View Post
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