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  • The future is in smart phones

    6 10.17%
  • The future is in carputers

    18 30.51%
  • My carputer causes me more trouble than fun, so my future is in my phone

    3 5.08%
  • I love my carputer and I dont care what the future holds...

    24 40.68%
  • The future is in tablets

    3 5.08%
  • Other - not listed above

    5 8.47%
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Thread: What's the point to this carputer thing anyway...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev000 View Post
    Sounds like a software problem with how you set things up. You can even get XP to boot up in less than 30seconds on decent hardware. Also sounds like you need faster internets. Are XP updates really that big that it takes hours? seems unlikely to me with any decent bandwidth for an update to take hours.

    i invite anyone considering using a phone instead of a carpc to try out LinuxICE 2.0.1 when it comes out later this month. It's built with more of an "click install and be done" approach. It boots fast, runs fast, and does all the basics plus more than you can currently do with your phone.

    Yes most definately a software problem and hardware problems, Its not necessarily the XP updates that are the problems, its other issues like updates to ride runner or trying to add new features. At some point I updated RR and different features didnt work because I didnt have the right winblows updates or drivers didnt match the hardware I had. That and I have wasted countless hours trying to find hardware and software that works with my iphone. I broke the cardinal rule of carpc installation. My system is not accessible. Everything is under the dash and that can pose a problem for hardware updates.

    Someone said maybe Im not really a vehicle computer hobbyist, maybe, but I enjoy the challenge of building a system, integrating it in my vehicle. The real issue is I just dont have the time to fix the problems.

    I think it's silly to throw out your carpc just because configuring software is a pain, or slow, etc, without trying something as close to android on the carpc as your going to get (for now).
    Maybe I was too extreme to say that Im pulling it all out and replacing it with a phone but the features I want are no longer practical when I can get the same things with my phone. As tech changes so does our desire for the latest and greatest toys.

    The carpc concept is not dead, but it is safe to say that it takes a special breed to appreciate the countless hours and costly investment of installing a computer in a vehicle. If it was for the average joe then it wouldnt be special.
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    i think its kind of like engine building (and probably dozens of other niche hobbies-but that happens to be one of mine).... if you want the absolute best performance nothing beats doing it yourself. Is it a hobby that will ever become mainstream-certainly not but even with hybrids and electric cars coming its a hobby that will never die. Every good innovation in the hobby eventually trickles down to features found in dozens of cars without the average joe ever realizing.

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    yea what he said ^^^.
    PC Users...
    You have the office worker who knows how to turn it on and use it.
    You have the gamer/home user who builds it, fixes and reinstalls it..

    Car Mechs...
    You have people who buy a car and take it to the dealer or mechanic.
    You have people who repair anything within their knowledge or learn along the way.

    The the people in-between.

    And yes this has become a big thread in so little a time... One i think we should actually suggest to new users to read over and let them make up their minds on what they want to do based upon all the views from people here...

    While this maybe a debate post, Its a good source of information in many areas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhembdm666 View Post
    yea what he said ^^^.
    PC Users...
    You have the office worker who knows how to turn it on and use it.
    You have the gamer/home user who builds it, fixes and reinstalls it..

    Car Mechs...
    You have people who buy a car and take it to the dealer or mechanic.
    You have people who repair anything within their knowledge or learn along the way.

    The the people in-between.

    And yes this has become a big thread in so little a time... One i think we should actually suggest to new users to read over and let them make up their minds on what they want to do based upon all the views from people here...

    While this maybe a debate post, Its a good source of information in many areas...
    Agreed
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    Everyone wanna do a post of their own personal pros/cons list and we can combine them into a sticky or something?

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    I think making this thread a sticky would be the best bet... As we can argue over points back and forth... It all comes down to personal experience/exposer and advice.

    By turning this into a cons/pros list.. it will never be true.
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    Was just thinking how many times i have been working on various projects only to come to a roadblock... After stopping the project and finding another source/method/way.

    Then to in hours/days/weeks/months come across a "Damn, Thats how i could have done it" or "That was the problem, Why didnt i think of that".
    Just curious how much that applies here in both cases/
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    Quote Originally Posted by ARN1382 View Post
    Whithout any flaming intention, maybe the mobile phone worked better for Thunder because his requirements and planning intentions were not as "excruciating" as others would be willing to bear.
    I wouldnt say my planning was flawed...
    When I first started building carpcs 2001 or 2002, I was looking for a disc changer for my car. I stumbled upon a clarion autopc, which then lead me to believe that I could install a computer in my car and be able to accomplish lot's more.
    After researching I found mp3car.com. Most users here, then were building systems solely for the purpose of playing mp3 files and possibly GPS nav. The idea then was "what can I build using the stuff I have". Well the hobby has evolved in to "what does it take so that I can do this using a computer". Which is cool. I was the first person I new that had a GPS in there car. Most asked "why do you need that". Now damn near everyone I know has a tomtom or garmin in there car if they dont have an OEM solution. When I told people I was downloading songs from napster to play in my car people thought I was nuts and some stupid geek. Now who doesnt have an Mp3 player.
    My point is the carputer has evolved far beyond what my wants are. I dont care to monitor my tire pressure from inside the car. I can tell if my tires are low the old fashion way. I dont need to control my AC from a touch screen when the knobs work great. I dont care a whole lot about engine management from the carpc because my ECU has enough features to let me mod it how I want as a factory unit.
    Now if I had money to burn, time to spend and a car I wanted tricked out with all kinds of cool gizmos and widgets then yes the carpc is the way to go. But for me, the practical guy that likes to live as a minimalist feels that my phone can be a splurge for luxury but a carpc is living too far outside of what I really need.
    A lot has changed for me in the past 10. I learned a lot through life experiences that made me realize that what is needed is not always wanted but what is wanted should be what is needed. I found that I was wanting more than I needed and that is when I realized that the carpc thing needs to pass on.
    Now if you can find a real need for a carpc, versus a good smart phone then possibly you will have a great idea. But truly millions of people have found a real need for smart phones to help with there day to day.
    Even the OEM carpcs (ford, gm) are only mimicking features found on smart phones (app downloads, email, voice calling) Of course engine management and other luxury information widgets. But really are cars any better with being able to display more information to the user, no not really. The best machinery made is the machinery kept simple. Simple means lower prices, cheaper repairs and yes more efficient. My friend is a professor at a local university and designed a vehicle that can get 128mpg. He used a 1963 VW Bug. Find me a modern day car more efficient than that.
    Got off on a tangent there but it all ties in to the point I have been making from the beginning. My hand held phone accomplishes more than my original goal for creating a carpc or any reason I could think of for practical use of a carpc.
    Truly most that are adding PC's to there car start because they want a cool media device with a good GPS capability. Then there desires evolve ... then realize it's not for them.
    I have sold carpcs literally hundreds early on when I started this whole legacy. Nearly everyone I sold to wanted it for purposes of playing media and GPS. A few small local police agencies used them for managing information when logging citations, a few business savvy people used them for on the road work, But even they wanted it basically for GPS.
    And that is why there is such a huge market for GPS and media players, because people found a real need for it. Again the challenge of keeping carpc hobbiests going is finding that next real need. Truly I just dont forecast a need for a carpc developing beyond what people are accomplishing with smart phones.

    by the way, I think this is my longest post ever... And look at the time
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    Case and Point
    Archos 5 IMT Install
    This guy wanted a carpc for media playback, picked up an archos system and guess what he screamed bingo.
    What people think they need is a media player with GPS and connectivity to the internet. What they may or may not want and will decide to do with out is everything else the carpc is currently doing.
    Challenge is to change that ...
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    I think security integration will be one of the next big hits for car system installs... mobile or pc wise. As this market is still a very small one but with all of the money being spent on cars these days... People will want ways to invest a way of making sure even if their is damage or a stolen property... that they can at least capture or prove it in some sense.

    Along with various jobs that require instant internet access while on the road for updating details such as trade workers/government. There are still many untapped areas of the car systems that we are just about to see the boom in. And then of course this will go beyond to what we have not even considered yet.

    After all, Once something like IT came along... It just keeps growing to new leaps and bounds.. Everything these days is coming out with a processor of some for or the other and what tomorrow holds is still unknown.

    We have still yet to see the era of AI guidance driving systems that do not require us to touch the pedals or wheel at all.. But of course this will be a long long way away from us in time wise.
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