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  • The future is in smart phones

    6 10.17%
  • The future is in carputers

    18 30.51%
  • My carputer causes me more trouble than fun, so my future is in my phone

    3 5.08%
  • I love my carputer and I dont care what the future holds...

    24 40.68%
  • The future is in tablets

    3 5.08%
  • Other - not listed above

    5 8.47%
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Thread: What's the point to this carputer thing anyway...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhembdm666 View Post
    So... does one of the admins want to setup a nice little poll.... BUT!!! !! !
    A admin who is not ruling on side already.. Someone who is in favor of both/either/neither.

    Poll - Preferred Car System Install
    1: Completely Mobile Phone Based
    2: Mobile Based, Some 3rd Party Hardware (Orig/Cust)
    3: PC/Mobile Based/Mixed Combination
    4: PC Based, Requiring Mobile Phone for some features/access (iNet, GPS, Talk)
    5: Completely PC Based

    Then if possible, have a value input of total setup and we can have a average of cost over the 5 options?

    Just a quick sketch idea?

    while at first glance i like the idea, the problem with starting a listing of the average cost of different options is that none of these installs are 'average.'

    there are members that have said that they only had to spend a couple bucks on cables, and maybe a screen, and then theres members like me, where i ended up spending way more because i didn't plan anything on the first install, and am going through and redoing it, or need to purchase everything outright, and do not have anything that they can already use.

    all of this factors into the overall cost, and cars these days are getting more and more proprietary-- so my install might only need a $10 aftermarket adapter, your install might need a $200 converter to get anything to work...
    so to some, a listing of average cost will only throw them off, thinking they are spending too little, or too much for a decent system.

    the best practice that i have heard to determine a budget for building a system is to figure out what you want to spend, and then double it. Then you might be under budget..

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    Quote Originally Posted by soundman98 View Post
    while at first glance i like the idea, the problem with starting a listing of the average cost of different options is that none of these installs are 'average.'

    there are members that have said that they only had to spend a couple bucks on cables, and maybe a screen, and then theres members like me, where i ended up spending way more because i didn't plan anything on the first install, and am going through and redoing it, or need to purchase everything outright, and do not have anything that they can already use.

    all of this factors into the overall cost, and cars these days are getting more and more proprietary-- so my install might only need a $10 aftermarket adapter, your install might need a $200 converter to get anything to work...
    so to some, a listing of average cost will only throw them off, thinking they are spending too little, or too much for a decent system.

    the best practice that i have heard to determine a budget for building a system is to figure out what you want to spend, and then double it. Then you might be under budget..
    I agree...... I was in the same boat. Also agrre with your other comments.
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    i would'nt say the current poll options are of an equal balance?
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    Yea talk about about an unbiased poll

    how about a "My carputer can do far more then a phone ever could" option?

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    Well i just think as with any two way pole, It should be a mirrored result.

    * Car System Development Will Lead To Smart Phone Based
    * Car System Development Will Lead To PC System Based
    * My Smart Phone System Has Been A Headache, I'm Switching To PCs
    * My PC System Has Been A Headache, I'm Switching To Smart Phones
    * I Love My Smart Phone And Dont Care About The Future
    * I Love My PC System And Dont Care About The Future


    Now that would be an unbiased poll... everything is mirrored and in a one/two..one/two...one/two order.

    But in seeing how the poll was setup... for a community that is widely pc user based... and we know the numbers here of old and new members is way in favor of pc based.. So i think my efforts and views here might start to lessen as something simple was not simple.
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    Where's the "Future is in smart phones + other hardware" option?

    I voted for future in smart phones but that's not exactly what I think. I think the going forward evolution path will be in different types of hardware and computers that you will be able to access from your smart device. That includes traditional car pcs but also non-traditional computers like the plug pcs or purpose built hardware devices like WiFi OBDII devices.

    In effect, I think the computing will get spread out over *more* computers rather than take place on one computer like the car pc. But I've already beat these ideas to death. I need to keep working on building them.
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    I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
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    I still don't get all this fixation with smart phones. The screen is ridiculously small for most tasks. Something that can integrate media playing, navigation. Also smartphones are too personal. People here don't think about the wife or the kids getting the car for a ride? What they're going to listen or navigate with, if the phone is with you wherever you are (in the shop, sleeping or in another car?).


    Nothing will substitute whatever carputer is in the car, be it OEM or home made. The key will be integration with the phone, if you must, or with something much more interesting. Like tablets.


    I think part of the future could be in Tablets though. Like the new Apple Tablet, or something like the Motion Computing F5 Tablet PC.


    So I envision a future where you just go inside your car and the tablet is PART OF the car bus network. They would sync NAV POI, Routes, Address Books, Contacts with your carputer (again OEM or not) as soon as you turn on the key.

    Your wife and/or kids could get the tablet to change tunes, routes, even the car AC from the car specific software running on the tablet. She could change and monitor the games kids are playing in the backseat headrests, turn them on, off, etc.

    Or if you're the sole driver, just leave it on the passenger seat, or inside the console and maybe files and functions from the tablet itself will be available from the car driver's control (bluetooth, steering wheel controls, car's touchscreen). So he could stream music from the tablet, or use a software in the tablet would be viewed in the car's touchscreen (like Maxivista, realvnc software) - the book you were reading on the tablet would then be read aloud in the car for instance.

    Of course cars manufacturer's are too closed minded to creat a safe sub network for external integration. But that is now.

    Look how they advertise iPod integration, USB drive media playing integration/file navigation, etc. They rip CDs now. They have HDs. Maybe the Apple Tablet functions and power can be the thing that make them start open the car more, going in the direction above.


    I'm not saying this is going to replace carputers - if you drive the car without the tablet, you'll still listen to music, play media and navigate, but I mean manufacturers will try to integrate those things into the cars sooner or later. With more limited functions, like Apple tablet POI sharing, route planning, contact management or whatever - use the Apple restaurant finder option and the nav will route there, etc. Hopefully the hobbyists will take care of all the other (cars and function) perhaps?


    That's my game plan for now. To bring a computer with real power and a real screen like a tablet to interact with all the functions in the car(puter).






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    RipplingHurst - Once again, using ALL 20% of the human brain!

    I would modify your idea one step - wireless touchscreen rather than tablets. Truth is, what would be DAMN handy, is the ability to pass the INTERFACE to the carPC around. Because of the relatively close proximity, there really isn't much need to be passing data or processing power around inside a car.

    You have 2 portable screens (so the kids don't fight). The fold out clips allow them to hang on the seat back for movie or tv viewing. Pull them into your lap for playing games, or the wife sends email, does searches etc... Recharge the batteries via USB or allow them to tether via usb while they charge.

    Stick them all in the glove box or under the seat when you're out of the car to prevent them walking off.

    Of course, cost is a factor here, so it might actually be cheaper to get a tablet and USE it like a wireless touchscreen. Developing an entirely new class of device, especially with the market size in question might be too expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasGuy View Post
    RipplingHurst - Once again, using ALL 20% of the human brain!

    I would modify your idea one step - wireless touchscreen rather than tablets. Truth is, what would be DAMN handy, is the ability to pass the INTERFACE to the carPC around. Because of the relatively close proximity, there really isn't much need to be passing data or processing power around inside a car.

    You have 2 portable screens (so the kids don't fight). The fold out clips allow them to hang on the seat back for movie or tv viewing. Pull them into your lap for playing games, or the wife sends email, does searches etc... Recharge the batteries via USB or allow them to tether via usb while they charge.

    Stick them all in the glove box or under the seat when you're out of the car to prevent them walking off.

    Of course, cost is a factor here, so it might actually be cheaper to get a tablet and USE it like a wireless touchscreen. Developing an entirely new class of device, especially with the market size in question might be too expensive.

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    That was actually a project I was working on. I was trying to use a Mimo USB screen with a wireless USB Hub and battery. Problem was it was unstable and in the end i decided to just add a screen for each passenger. Adding a screen also got rid of the chance of fighting over it. I think the wireless hub has to get a little better with how it transmits before its a usable option. It did show graphics, but sometimes it would show weird. If I recall the touchscreen wasnt supported at all by the hub. Maybe the next version will?
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    Great minds think alike!


    Yes, I agree 100%, wireless touchscreens would be ideal, but used cheap tablets are everywhere now - and with MaxiVista for instance, it could work like this.

    Of course, for my kids, the tablet/screen should be rugged...at least spill proof.

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