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  • The future is in smart phones

    6 10.17%
  • The future is in carputers

    18 30.51%
  • My carputer causes me more trouble than fun, so my future is in my phone

    3 5.08%
  • I love my carputer and I dont care what the future holds...

    24 40.68%
  • The future is in tablets

    3 5.08%
  • Other - not listed above

    5 8.47%
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    i plan on installing my xbox wireless adapter and nintendo emulators when the winter breaks. this summer im buying a used video projector and were going camping and playing video games outside. its like my livingroom anywhere i go haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    So I envision a future where you just go inside your car and the tablet is PART OF the car bus network. They would sync NAV POI, Routes, Address Books, Contacts with your carputer (again OEM or not) as soon as you turn on the key.

    Your wife and/or kids could get the tablet to change tunes, routes, even the car AC from the car specific software running on the tablet. She could change and monitor the games kids are playing in the backseat headrests, turn them on, off, etc.

    Or if you're the sole driver, just leave it on the passenger seat, or inside the console and maybe files and functions from the tablet itself will be available from the car driver's control (bluetooth, steering wheel controls, car's touchscreen). So he could stream music from the tablet, or use a software in the tablet would be viewed in the car's touchscreen (like Maxivista, realvnc software) - the book you were reading on the tablet would then be read aloud in the car for instance.
    This is different from a smart phone...how? Ah! Right, the tablet has no internet connectivity. Seriously, why does the CPU have to be linked to the screen? Why can't it work as Vegas Guy suggests - wireless display?

    If the future is just a screen with pc guts in it, then we're in for a very boring decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    Great minds think alike!


    Yes, I agree 100%, wireless touchscreens would be ideal, but used cheap tablets are everywhere now - and with MaxiVista for instance, it could work like this.

    Of course, for my kids, the tablet/screen should be rugged...at least spill proof.
    You mean something like what I've been doing for the last 12 years. Each kid has a tablet, all tablets networked to the main CarPC tablet in the front connected to the Terabyte drive (and with ultimate control). It basically a rolling LAN Party. Yeah mine is not "built-in" nor anything like "OEM" , but it does what we want. What was it in Guino's signature line, "Being happy is not about having what you want, it's about wanting what you have."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    This is different from a smart phone...how? Ah! Right, the tablet has no internet connectivity.
    Tablets can have internet connectivity, of course, just that you might not need one with it.

    How it's different from a phone? It has a decent screen from start?

    I don't think you got my point. Look, you can use your phone to display a car front end - but I suppose they´re not open enough, or robust enough for that.

    The iPhone can't even multitask, even if the Android can, at what price? If it's used on your lap, you´re going to deplete the puny battery with all the wireless use and media processing. You leave the car and can't make a call, great. (if you say you'll keep it charging, then yes, then it's not a wireless setup, it's not serving what I envisaged). A typical tablet runs for 3 hours, the best for 9hours, all weighting less then Apple's tiny notebook. Most have 5.6/8"+ daylight viewable screens and have pen input - which is better than touch, if you´re not the driver.

    Seriously, why does the CPU have to be linked to the screen? Why can't it work as Vegas Guy suggests - wireless display?
    It could, did you read my post above? I didn't think about it, never seen a pure wireless screen before.

    Now of course, instead of tablets or the wireless screens, you could use phones, I guess. I suspect this would be even more expensive - either you pay contract fees, or unlocked phones - either way I doubt the extra functionality would be used, but you'd still need a carputer. Maybe you could use the iPod touch then, but still, more expensive than a used tablet, I guess (is it $150 already?).

    A phone that could stream media and web content to 3 wireless screens, navigate the web, offer turn by turn navigation and still make calls via bluetooth? I'd like to see that.

    If the future is just a screen with pc guts in it, then we're in for a very boring decade.
    What's a PC now? a x86 processor? why is that boring, and a small screen with an ARM processor or whatever is not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoQ View Post
    You mean something like what I've been doing for the last 12 years. Each kid has a tablet, all tablets networked to the main CarPC tablet in the front connected to the Terabyte drive (and with ultimate control). It basically a rolling LAN Party. Yeah mine is not "built-in" nor anything like "OEM" , but it does what we want. What was it in Guino's signature line, "Being happy is not about having what you want, it's about wanting what you have."
    You do that in the car? Didn't know that for sure. Well, guess the credit is all yours then!

    But yes, yes, that's more or less what I plan to do. Rolling LAN party. Can I use that name?




    Of course I have no idea how to sync contacts and navigation apps yet. I'd love to see software to help on that front.

    But what's more relevant to this thread now is: Now would you exchange the main tablet/carpc, or the other tablets for the passengers, for mobile phones? Is that easier or cheaper to do this rolling lan with phones (exclusively or not)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    Where's the "Future is in smart phones + other hardware" option?

    I voted for future in smart phones but that's not exactly what I think. I think the going forward evolution path will be in different types of hardware and computers that you will be able to access from your smart device. That includes traditional car pcs but also non-traditional computers like the plug pcs or purpose built hardware devices like WiFi OBDII devices.

    In effect, I think the computing will get spread out over *more* computers rather than take place on one computer like the car pc. But I've already beat these ideas to death. I need to keep working on building them.
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    You guys should check out the CES coverage....theres at least 3 different companies with wireless screens either out or on their way. WiFi based video streaming and wireless usb based video streaming are capable of doing exactly what you want and more. Even the bluetooth 3.0 spec allows for wireless video (and standalone screens) but its not finalized yet so it may be another year before standardized devices roll out using that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    You do that in the car? Didn't know that for sure. Well, guess the credit is all yours then!
    I can't take credit, this tech has been around for quite some time. Back when I first got mine working, wireless LANs were barely fast enough for checkers, battleship, and backgammon. Now with faster wireless cards and APs , movies and simple shooter games are usable. In 2003 or 4, we tried to have a national MP3Car Meet with tracking of participants as everyone converged on the convention. Several people moved the rolling LAN party concept that year from a bunch of computers in one car to several cars all connected to each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    But yes, yes, that's more or less what I plan to do. Rolling LAN party. Can I use that name?
    NO! Just like CarPuters and phones have evolved over the last decade, so too has the idea of a "rolling LAN party." Much like BugByte envisions, the future is about cloud computing, and a rolling LAN party is a very tiny piece of a much bigger puzzle. Currently, 1st person shooter clans have become mobile and are integrating the real world. Imagine the extreme - multiple rolling LANs with five or six guys in the car, each performing a different role while trying to capture a flag within the Houston or Dallas city limits. But I digress.

    This discussion has focused on cellphones overtaking the role of the carputer. And someone earlier, I think, hit the nail on the head, AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! Integration with the car will always be a drawback, cause there is no IEEE for car interfaces and never will. OBD I & II was a start, but remember that was the government cramming it down the car industry's throat. And look what little that gives us. I'm sure I'm not the only one here that has been involved with or at least understands what it takes to get standards set for such as bluetooth, 802.11g/n, or even USB 2.0; let alone ISO 2001 and its derivatives. These standards committees have no power: governments, corporations, scientists, engineers and the like get together and map everything out, vote on it and viola, but no one HAS to use it. Look at how long it took to crack the IBus, there's no way every car manufacturer's going to all adopt a single interface standard cause it allows for carputer integration. They all have their own idea of what will work best and how to keep the architecture closed. Hell they just lately figured out how to integrate bluetooth.


    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    Of course I have no idea how to sync contacts and navigation apps yet. I'd love to see software to help on that front.
    You don't. Contacts should probably stay separate, and nav, well we just save all route files to the main Tablet so their accessible there. Viewing is just a matter of VNC from the back seat to the front (just make sure the back tablets can't take control, only view).

    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    But what's more relevant to this thread now is: Now would you exchange the main tablet/carpc, or the other tablets for the passengers, for mobile phones? Is that easier or cheaper to do this rolling LAN with phones (exclusively or not)?
    Again no. Until cellphones can multitask and become much more powerful, this won't happen (cheaper or not). Passengers can probably access my Terabyte drive by their smartphone (never thought too hard about it or how - wifi, bluetooth, USB), but to me the screen is still the discouraging factor from a UI perspective, probably cause I've been spoiled with a 10.4" screen for the last 15 years. If all you're doing with the rolling LAN is accessing the internet, separate phones will surely do it better - they each have their own connection. But try sharing peripherals or multiple access to the server, today - things get ugly fast, in the future who knows. Consider the distributed computing power I have access to today. I won't be trading my systems in any time soon. Although on a side note, on occasion (like at the park or at the lake) I do control the Carputer via my cell phone (actual size):


    This hobby's not going away, either. Sure we've hit a plateau this last year, but I blame it more on the economy than the lack of innovation or ideas. There's lots more for us to add: look at the blind spot thread, replacing mirrors with cameras, multi camera DVR with text overlays, HUDs, electric tint, and the list goes on and grows on. One of the reasons I first got involved is because I enjoy developing on the Bleeding edge of technology, that's not going to change soon. New operating systems are coming on-board, power is increasing, size is shrinking, add-on processors are coming out, the possibilities are still limitless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RipplingHurst View Post
    So I envision a future where you just go inside your car and the tablet is PART OF the car bus network. They would sync NAV POI, Routes, Address Books, Contacts with your carputer (again OEM or not) as soon as you turn on the key.
    Nice idea with the tablets, and definitely possible with today's technology.... However, I don't really see cars of the future having you turn keys to start them... Many luxury vehicles now are already moving towards the push button start where the keyfob is detected wirelessly from your pocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firstorbit84 View Post
    However, I don't really see cars of the future having you turn keys to start them... Many luxury vehicles now are already moving towards the push button start where the keyfob is detected wirelessly from your pocket.

    I agree on this, of course. Also, my current car does have a wireless keyfob. It's just not a button to press down on it, you have to turn it (but there's no need to insert anything, the keyfob stays in your pocket).

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