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  • The future is in smart phones

    6 10.17%
  • The future is in carputers

    18 30.51%
  • My carputer causes me more trouble than fun, so my future is in my phone

    3 5.08%
  • I love my carputer and I dont care what the future holds...

    24 40.68%
  • The future is in tablets

    3 5.08%
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    5 8.47%
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Thread: What's the point to this carputer thing anyway...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    You guys should check out the CES coverage....theres at least 3 different companies with wireless screens either out or on their way. WiFi based video streaming and wireless usb based video streaming are capable of doing exactly what you want and more. Even the bluetooth 3.0 spec allows for wireless video (and standalone screens) but its not finalized yet so it may be another year before standardized devices roll out using that.

    Cool. I will check it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoQ View Post
    NO! Just like CarPuters and phones have evolved over the last decade, so too has the idea of a "rolling LAN party." Much like BugByte envisions, the future is about cloud computing, and a rolling LAN party is a very tiny piece of a much bigger puzzle. Currently, 1st person shooter clans have become mobile and are integrating the real world. Imagine the extreme - multiple rolling LANs with five or six guys in the car, each performing a different role while trying to capture a flag within the Houston or Dallas city limits. But I digress.
    Heh.


    This discussion has focused on cellphones overtaking the role of the carputer. And someone earlier, I think, hit the nail on the head, AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN! Integration with the car will always be a drawback, cause there is no IEEE for car interfaces and never will.
    I think you're right. But you know, phones are going crazy, who knows what's coming next?

    I sure would like to see a "phone"-phone, though. I'd like something I could use in my ear all the time (but inside the ear (and over your throat perhaps, so you don't even need to speak aloud), like those in-ear headphones), completely voice activated (all bluetooth protocols supported, you control your phone, media, home theater, the car, etc.), no keyboard or pad or anything. Just display numbers in my watch or whatever. Now that's a phone. Back to "basics".


    You don't. Contacts should probably stay separate, and nav, well we just save all route files to the main Tablet so their accessible there.
    I disagree on that. The aim should be complete and transparent communication/integration between the systems (with the proper obvious safety and privacy in place, meaning, you can't change your car ECU settings nor your daughter can access unfriendly sites, etc.). But things like media, A/C, nav, phone, should be completely open and transparent and in sync. At least that's what I'd like to see.


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    moderators, can you edit the poll to say smartphones / tablets. Or add a new option for tablets only please?

    Tablets such as the Archos 5 Android have more storage (Archos has 500 GB on tiny device) and cpu/graphic power (Archos does HD playback) than smartphones, can do multitasking, have bigger displays (>= 5 inch) and are the real competitor to a custom built car pc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upspace View Post
    moderators, can you edit the poll to say smartphones / tablets. Or add a new option for tablets only please?

    Tablets such as the Archos 5 Android have more storage (Archos has 500 GB on tiny device) and cpu/graphic power (Archos does HD playback) than smartphones, can do multitasking, have bigger displays (>= 5 inch) and are the real competitor to a custom built car pc.
    Definitely a new option....theres a HUGE difference between a smartphone and a tablet.

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    And have you ever used the Archos 5 in the daytime? I think a mirror would be less reflective!!

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    With the way technology constantly changes, cellphones and computer may become outdated. Eventually wireless broadband will replace the cell network. That may completely change everything. A VOIP phone in your ear. Networked cars. Play any song, movie, show off the cloud. Answer the phone in the car and see the caller on the live google 3D map. The screen is integrated with something beyond GMLan. Talk to the car from the headset and tell it to pull the top down. Electric cars don't need to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    Definitely a new option....theres a HUGE difference between a smartphone and a tablet.

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    And have you ever used the Archos 5 in the daytime? I think a mirror would be less reflective!!
    I'm starting to get onboard a little with the tablet idea, but for a few issues:

    1. Connectivity. AM/FM, HD radio, XM radio Digital TV tuners. OBD/CAN readers, WebCam,etc. There's still a lot of stuff in a car that needs to connect, not all of it by bluetooth of wireless. How many, and what kind of ports are exposed on an average tablet?
    2. Front/rear video and audio. A MUST for a car Infotainment system. Is this something that a typical tablet is going to be able to do?
    3. Integration. If we're talking about a tablet in addition to a car pc, then I'm pretty much there with the idea. If we're talking an alternative, where do you put it? How do you mount and connect a 10" tablet so that it's usable by the driver? VERY few cars have the room to mount something like that in the dash, and since most or all of the ports and controls are on the side of the case, you probably can't put it in te dash at all.

    Keep in mind that size is the single overiding design criteria for cell phones. It HAS to fit in your pocket, which limits the specs for EVERY other component. Battery size, screen size processor power are all constrained by the size of the package.

    Tablets suffer from the same constraints, only to a lesser extent. processor power and screen size are still tied to battery size and life. Mobility drives the design.

    None of these things are nearly as critical to a carPC design. Certainly size, and as it relates to heat, processor power are taken into consideration, but the range of available options is far greater. Not to mention connectivity, expansion and the ability to integrate a MUCH wider range of hardware and software. The ability to seperate the display from the processor also gives you a wider range of mounting and integration options.

    As an add-on...why not. Not there yet as a replacement.

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    the whole "point" to a carpc is that it is installed... it is always there & it becomes a part of the functionality of the vehicle. yes, this is NOT for everyone, if your happy with what's in your pocket then you don't need a carpc... that's not what a carpc is even about... a carpc is about the challenge of integration, it is custom. how does this compare to a phone or an Ipod or a Walkman or any other little portable thing??? I've seen watches that can play mp3's.. is that a substitute for a carpc??? no. can anyone & everyone have a carpc? no, only those that are willing to go through more trials & overcome more obstacles than the average Joe is going to be successful with building a carpc. there is NO substitute for a carpc, only alternatives. I've said it many times before, if media playing & navigation is your only goal then a carpc is probably not even worth the headaches or work that a good carpc can take. there are PLENTY of alternatives, but NONE are a carpc....

    what's the point to this carpc stuff? if you have to ask....

    here is a way to install a 10" tablet in a car the carpc way:



    this is the point to a carpc... being able to build something that you can otherwise not have. simple... no one Needs a carpc, a carpc is not about needs it's about wants. the biggest problem is guys going into it thinking it is something it is not... and not realizing all that is involved with a good carpc install... a carpc is not just a media player & nav, it is not for everyone, only you can decide if it is right for you, only you can decide if you want it bad enough to put the work into it... the more you put in the more you'll get out of it... the guy who doesn't want to put what it takes into it will never get it... a phone is not a carpc, a laptop sitting on the passenger seat is not a carpc. a carpc is a PC integrated into your car.... that is the point of a carpc

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    Ok turbo wipe the war paint from your face and put down the bow and arrow. The battle is over.
    Clearly there are major advantages to having a carpc instead of using your phone as a substitute. Which has brought on a whole new reason for this thread.
    Really helping to clear up why people should have or not have a carpc. This may help with all the carpc installer dropouts this site encounters. It is a major learning experience for anyone involved in such a hobby and definitely keeps your car in a category of it's own.
    The aggressive responses initiated by this community have truly contributed to the question of...
    What's the point to this carputer thing anyway...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VegasGuy View Post
    I'm starting to get onboard a little with the tablet idea, but for a few issues:

    1. Connectivity. AM/FM, HD radio, XM radio Digital TV tuners. OBD/CAN readers, WebCam,etc. There's still a lot of stuff in a car that needs to connect, not all of it by bluetooth of wireless. How many, and what kind of ports are exposed on an average tablet?
    Depending on the tablet of course, but you can have one RJ45, one or two USB ports, mic in and line out, vga or dvi out. Plus PCMCIA or Express card slots.

    If you connect them to a dock, it will replicate most ports to a more convenient location, and at least add a couple of USB ports.

    A dock is a must if the tablet is going to be your main PC in the car, but not so important if it works more like another (wireless, daylight viewable, pen/touch control) screen to be controlled by the passenger.


    2. Front/rear video and audio. A MUST for a car Infotainment system. Is this something that a typical tablet is going to be able to do?
    I don't think so. But you can use TWO tablets, right? A cheap one for the wife/kids, for instance.

    If not, you'd need to use the vga/dvi out, plus an USB sound card. Usually the sound [edit: VIDEO] comes from Intel GMA 900/950; it does support extended desktop and mirror, not sure what else.

    3. Integration. If we're talking about a tablet in addition to a car pc, then I'm pretty much there with the idea. If we're talking an alternative, where do you put it? How do you mount and connect a 10" tablet so that it's usable by the driver?
    You can use RAM mounts, but that wouldn't be much integrated. I refer you to Turbocad and Gizmo's work on that. If you want to be able to remove the Tablet from the car, that's one set of solutions, if you're willing to take it apart, there's another set of solutions for that.

    That's where I'm working at the moment, and I'm not sure the direction I'm gonna take. If I don't take it apart I would try to mount the screen in a drawer or hinge in my center console. I'd like to have the OPTION to take home/office, or just hide it in the car with no mounts showing (like RAM mounts). Turbocad did just that for somebody in an Escalade, I'd like to see something like this in my console perhaps?



    The support in the bottom would have to slide forwards a bit too (couple of inches) after raised, to offer a better viewing angle from the driver...the size would depend on the size of your center console (from 5.6 to 12.1 would fit my huge console no problem). No idea where to get parts like the above right now. (Suggestions?)

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