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  • The future is in smart phones

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  • The future is in carputers

    18 30.51%
  • My carputer causes me more trouble than fun, so my future is in my phone

    3 5.08%
  • I love my carputer and I dont care what the future holds...

    24 40.68%
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Thread: What's the point to this carputer thing anyway...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    That is another aspect of the Car PC hobby. i also agree with the mobility, a Car PC should be intergrated into the car, make it look factory, but then blow people away with features unheard of. Very well put Turbo.
    Careful there youngster, don't go changing what he said, i.e., nothing about factory look. Its the integrated aspect he focused on. And some are purposely built to stand out. So I may not have as many screens as you but I will reflect on this thread as my CarPC rolls my windows up, or monitors my OBD II, or beeps at me when a tire is low and chuckle cause it all works the same for this CARPC in three different vehicles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GizmoQ View Post
    Careful there youngster, don't go changing what he said, i.e., nothing about factory look. Its the integrated aspect he focused on. And some are purposely built to stand out. So I may not have as many screens as you but I will reflect on this thread as my CarPC rolls my windows up, or monitors my OBD II, or beeps at me when a tire is low and chuckle cause it all works the same for this CARPC in three different vehicles.
    I know, I had to add my own 2 cents, LMFAO, let me update my post.... but his does look factory, as will mine once its finished. Also alot of others I have seen look factory. Except your Qizmo, your looks like it came out of a Gundam robot (which is a complimant). The window roll up is a nice feature. Its one i have installed, I just have no way to control it yet. I do not want the Car PC to do it because Id have to wait till the setup is on, your system most likely boots up faster then mine, so control is much faster. i opted to have it controlled via keychain. I guess with certain things I dont want the Car PC to touch, especially something like rolling down windows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    I guess with certain things I dont want the Car PC to touch, especially something like rolling down windows.
    Why not...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderStick View Post
    Why not...?
    Well although I trust the PC with media.... I dont trust it with actually controlling the car. What if for some god awful reason you go flying into a river and the PC gets wet, and closes the windows. Also, you have to wait till the PC is booted up before you hav any type of control. Its the same with A/C. I see alot of users have A/C controlled by the PC, but in FL, I dont want to wait for the thing to boot before I can get cool air. I think a PC should stay infotainment based. That is one reason I dont buy a newer car. They all seem to be so computer driven now a days. When you take them to the shop now, you get a computer technician rather then a d@mn automechanic.
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    On the topic of pc control moving to systems other than just infotainment, I had my laptop running the ECU for my Camaro, and I closed the lid... little did I know that this reset the USB on this particular laptop causing the car to immediately shut off, for a functional lack of an ECU. This is an example of a fail-safe situation. Something went wrong, the car shut off rather than doing something unpredictable.

    The proper way to do that, would have been to buy a module that lets me hit a button, and it switches to a hardware chip for the ECU control. With this kind of a setup I would be willing to have another go at PC control of the car directly. I also plan to have the carpc control things like the windows with auto-up safety switches, emphesis on the safety. (Event a manual cutoff, so you can put down the windows were the PC to go kaput)

    I have a bit of a unique perspective on the situation of mission critical computer control. I work for a robotics company. We turn commercial vehicles into fully autonomous robotic vehicles in an R&D environment... I've seen first hand what goes wrong (and trust me when I say... WRONG) when a complex multi-layer computer in control loses control for whatever reason, software bug, hardware failure, etc I've seen it all. At this point, especially with user written software, you should not give PC primary control of any system without some sort of backup. For instance, I would not use a PC to regulate cruise control or auto-braking, I would leave that to hardware control at a lower level, and let the PC integrate with that if I were to do it at all. Trust me when I say having the computer slam full 100% brakes in a fraction of a second from 10+mph doesn't sound nearly as bad as it is.


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    For anything that you have your carpc operate that is a vital or everyday function, You should still have an override master switch that will cut all connections to your car's hardware and/or software.

    By doing this say for example in the mornings when you want the AC/Heater. You will simply have your car operate as per normal and then once your pc has booted you can hit this switch again or simply leave this switch as a "Just incase" situation.

    For the example of driving into a river, Well the second your pc/interfaces are wet. The current hardware state will not change as it will be dead or shortcircuited and unable to process or error in any which way. But if you do have the electric windows well then either way they are not going to operate regardless once the water gets to your controls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    Well although I trust the PC with media.... I dont trust it with actually controlling the car. What if for some god awful reason you go flying into a river and the PC gets wet, and closes the windows. Also, you have to wait till the PC is booted up before you hav any type of control. Its the same with A/C. I see alot of users have A/C controlled by the PC, but in FL, I dont want to wait for the thing to boot before I can get cool air. I think a PC should stay infotainment based. That is one reason I dont buy a newer car. They all seem to be so computer driven now a days. When you take them to the shop now, you get a computer technician rather then a d@mn automechanic.
    Well unlike you replacing your side mirrors with cameras, I agree with Malcom, my PC controls are secondary to the original equipment. All my OEM is still the primary controls, the PC allows me a "show off" set of controls, but my primary reason for the PC controls is automation.

    My motto is "Laziness is the mother of invention". I want my PC to control my power antenna - if I'm not listening to the radio on the PC it stays down, but when I switch Ride Runner to radio it rises. When parked, I want my convertible to know when its raining, check if the top is up, and if not put it up and roll up the windows. I want my car to monitor temp and at 140 degrees crack the windows a bit. I want my car to monitor my fridge in the trunk and tell me when the temp rises above 40 degrees. I want my car to monitor my compressed air tank and notify me if I'm losing pressure. I want my car to recognize my voice or my keyfob and reset all the controls, seats, mirrors, mp3 playlists, radio stations, XM favorites, skin, etc. to my liking. I want to be able to hit one button and the car reconfigures for the girlfriend, another button for the family, and another button for "Driving Miss Daisy" (my mom's gonna kill me if she reads this - but I don't play rap or hip hop when she's in the car - she likes talk radio). DFX4 is real close to what I have in other skins and John calls it "User Settings" - his skin can save up to six.

    When I started this hobby 15 years ago, it was just about the Infotainment, but even then I had already automated my home, lawn, and pool (sensors, cameras, timers, voice control, if-then and conditional responses) and had dreams of doing the same to my car. Now I can! For me, PC automation, has never been about replacing the existing controls cause I realize and accept I am not alone in this world; its about me not having to think about reponding to conditions I may or may not be present to react to, I may or may not be paying attention to, I may or may not know about had it not been for the automation.

    As an anecdote, The lights in my den are set to shut off at 10:45PM (after the tonight show monologue), 11PM, 1130PM, Midnight and every 15 minutes after that. WHY, to tell me to get off the computer and go to bed. My front and back doors have PIR sensors that activate the surveillance cameras/recorders and sends a snapshot to my cellphone. Before the UPS man can ring the doorbell I can see the MP3Car store package in his arms. I just want my car to have the sane level of automation that I'm used to in the house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    Well although I trust the PC with media.... I dont trust it with actually controlling the car. What if for some god awful reason you go flying into a river and the PC gets wet, and closes the windows. Also, you have to wait till the PC is booted up before you hav any type of control. Its the same with A/C. I see alot of users have A/C controlled by the PC, but in FL, I dont want to wait for the thing to boot before I can get cool air. I think a PC should stay infotainment based. That is one reason I dont buy a newer car. They all seem to be so computer driven now a days. When you take them to the shop now, you get a computer technician rather then a d@mn automechanic.
    Well, if you fall into a river, you will die, even with windows down, you have to wait until the car is flooded.

    You can improve the PC's boot time, and my pc will power up when i unlock the car with the remote,
    so if I don't jump into the car after a bank robbery, it has plenty time to boot up.

    I would not buy a new car because I can't repair it because of the computer based stuff.
    I even hate the motor controller, no documentation about howto remap or change settings.
    But if I put my computer into the car, I will have the new car's features, and I can still repair
    it myself if something needs to be tuned.
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    Well, you could always have a moisture sensor that rolls the windows down as soon as the water enters the car, and just like remote window roll up/down the factory buttons can work just as they should. People naturally fear things that they don't understand but eventually learn to trust them.

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