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  • The future is in smart phones

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  • The future is in carputers

    18 30.51%
  • My carputer causes me more trouble than fun, so my future is in my phone

    3 5.08%
  • I love my carputer and I dont care what the future holds...

    24 40.68%
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Thread: What's the point to this carputer thing anyway...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderStick View Post
    Was just waiting for you to tap in, seen you posting on the android forums.
    Anyway, I have been doing this carpc thing for a very long time. I agree as a hobby your phone will not replace it. But if you want stability and a fully functioning system, you may as well have both.

    Hobbies are fun and so was working with carpc's, finding there limitations and developing new ideas. But as the next page turns for me, the carpc seems to be passing on. Your right OBDlogging on your carpc is cool but that has allready been done or is in the works for the android as well using a bluetooth OBDII scanner.
    People develop for these phones the same as they do for the carpc's, the only difference is the phones are meant to be mobile. Most of the PC's used here are not. Even your best mobile PC does not have a hard drive that will with stand sub zero temps and start right up. I know my doesnt and I have tried many different hard drives. Harsh Wisconsin winters take there tole quickly on hard drives and processors. If you live in a relatively mild climate then yes a carputer may be reliable, but for as long as I have been using carputers winters are allways a PITA.
    Who know's maybe I am just taking a break from this whole carputer thing, but for now I am more than satisfied with the plethora of apps available for the android and a bright future of development ahead.
    I believe the android system will not just be limited to phones or hand helds, but eventually will move on to more mobilized computer systems via enthusiast development.
    Why do you keep saying that it doesn't have full functionality? Maybe yours didn't, but you cant generalize everyone elses setups. If you plan it carefully then you can have a setup that destroys any other solution. There are no limitations either. I am designing one of the first cluster pc setups. Meaning my truck has 7 pc units in it. It took me 1 year to iron out all the things that can go wrong, but with most of the forums help, I have got every corner covered. So if I were to try to do the same with a setup like yours, that would make yours limited, correct?

    Most of the setups are not mobile, but thats why its called a "Car PC" its meant for the car. If I wanted to take it out id buy a laptop with a docking station. Lucky, I don't want to take it out. I made mine integrated into my car, so its like a feature that came with it. I think that is most of our goals, have a system that looks stock, but does 300 times more.

    As far as weather, yes, it does help play a role, but it also adds to the hobby of trying to make it a viable solution. Air flow is one of my biggest strengths now because the forums taught me how it should work. My setup cools so efficiently I have an immediate 15 to 20 degree drop. If its cold, I turn on my heater and the way its designed, it takes in some of the hot air, not alot. The result is a PC that runs near its proper operating temperature all the time.

    Basically to say, you got bored and gave up the hobby. Which is fine, 10 years is a long time, but with all the advancements in Mobile PC technology, all the issues you may have had are slowly dying away, if not dead already.
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    One against phone: I kill/lose at least 2 phones every year, one on new year's eve,
    and one in my university's freshman camp/initiation Tried to use 2 phones,
    one extreme primitive/durable for partying, and one for everyday use, but
    the party always finds me with my more expensive phone in my pocket
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplex View Post
    One against phone: I kill/lose at least 2 phones every year, one on new year's eve,
    and one in my university's freshman camp/initiation Tried to use 2 phones,
    one extreme primitive/durable for partying, and one for everyday use, but
    the party always finds me with my more expensive phone in my pocket
    OMG......... Id kill myself if I lost my phones like that. i only buy smartphones (HTC brand to be exact). Since I use my phone on a different carrier then it was meant for, I have to pay full price for the phone, which is about $550.00 dollars.
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    I agree.

    A system that does 300 times the things a stock setup can... I mean maybe he got bored or just found what he was looking for... For me customizing my own setup is the way to go since I haven't found a stock system that will do what I want...

    The first time I saw a system by Chrysler called Mygig, it cost like $2000.00 and boy... what a dummy, I remember the reaction from the guys at the Chrysler dealer when I gave a demo of my setup, they could not believe all the features and functionality of it, one went like: Wow this is much better than the one offered at the dealer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderStick View Post
    People develop for these phones the same as they do for the carpc's, the only difference is the phones are meant to be mobile. Most of the PC's used here are not. Even your best mobile PC does not have a hard drive that will with stand sub zero temps and start right up. I know my doesnt and I have tried many different hard drives. Harsh Wisconsin winters take there tole quickly on hard drives and processors. If you live in a relatively mild climate then yes a carputer may be reliable, but for as long as I have been using carputers winters are allways a PITA.
    That's why god invented the SSD.
    The processor's minimal storage temp is -40 celsius, safe min. operating temperature
    is around -10-0. (Intel Atom).

    If temperature goes below -25 celsius for more than a few hours, my frozen carPC will be my smallest problem.

    So, do not build a snowblowerPC, otherwise, it will be fine
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    I disagree with "If you plan it carefully then you can have a setup that destroys any other solution".
    A viable solution for a sunlight readable screen has not been made affordable yet. The Lilliput transflective screen is close, but still not great.
    Bluetooth phone connectivity in your carpc will probably never fully develope. The best solution for using your blue tooth phone as a speaker phone I found is to just press the speaker phone button. That works great for me. My android stops the music and switches directly in to phone mode. Seamlessly.

    I have to say for anyone interested in taking on the carpc challenge it is fun, but again finding something you want to stick with because it works probably will not happen.
    Carpc's should be as mobile as anything, they need to be able to with stand harsher environments than any media device or PC you use. Bumpy roads, spills in the car if installed under a seat(it happens), power fluctuations, etc...
    Mobile doesnt mean removable, it means tolerant of multiple environments under conditions other than ideal using an efficient amount of power. Carpc's should be mobile.
    PC's were meant to be built to stay in one place. Not jarred, shaken or vibrated (damages hard drives), Not frozen then thawed using a blast of hot air (damages your CPU and ram or other internal components), Not introduced to fluctuating or poorly regulated automotive voltages (even the best carpc power supplies occasionally slip up with a hiccup of poor power control, but of course most users here are not using the best).

    If you have 7 PC's in one car allready your efficiency is thrown out the window.
    If you feel that your 7 PC system is at the top of the game, then you obviously have much more planning to do. 7PC's is truly not at the top, more towards the bottom. The smaller footprint the better. Your car obviously is desired to be an entertainment bonanza. Great for car shows (look what I did), not too great for practicality (I can use this daily and so can anyone else).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nigelfenton View Post
    Dont they have blue tooth OBDII conections? most top phones have BT and some good car head units have BT integration. Are we not seeing the start of the phone/car integration? with USB screens now becoming available surely phones will later be able to "dock" with these screens?

    If the above were very soon to be possible i would trade even the quickest boot time PC for an almost instant on phone. the major problem at present is the operating system and speed.

    Nigel....
    I believe the iPhone is the only phone that supports a wireless OBDII connection through WIFI, and not BT.

    Another thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread, along the same lines as lack of OBD integration with phones compared to PCs:

    No phones currently support any Manufacturer-specific or engine-specific tuning applications!

    Some of us who put PCs into our cars actually want to use them to better communicate with and tune the car's ECU. Examples of what I mean:
    - Vag-COM (VCDS) Engine Diagnostics for VW / Audi
    - AEM Engine Management for many Japanese and other applications
    - GIAC Flashloader for many European makes
    - MegaSquirt custom engine management for many applications
    - Apexi Power FC for many Japanese Makes/Models

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    OMG......... Id kill myself if I lost my phones like that. i only buy smartphones (HTC brand to be exact). Since I use my phone on a different carrier then it was meant for, I have to pay full price for the phone, which is about $550.00 dollars.
    Most notable kills:
    -I killed 2 Nokias designed to resist water, dust and shock

    -a htc touch: well it was a slow agony, first I stepped on it, later dropped while walking the dog (5 meters bounce), etc.
    Funny, but the screen is still ok, it has some board, touchpanel and aerial problems, partially works.

    -a htc himalaya: more durable than the touch, but it was not waterproof
    cute 18 year old girl + white t-shirt + boat + booze > phone

    So I finished with expensive phones. Now I'm using a nokia 6030, my father's old phone,
    it's ugly, primitive, falling apart, but works. Got some problems with the numbers, as
    I can't sync my database to it, and too lazy to write +500 numbers, so I add contacts
    ondemand
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    Quote Originally Posted by firstorbit84 View Post
    I believe the iPhone is the only phone that supports a wireless OBDII connection through WIFI, and not BT.

    Another thing that hasn't been mentioned in this thread, along the same lines as lack of OBD integration with phones compared to PCs:

    No phones currently support any Manufacturer-specific or engine-specific tuning applications!

    Some of us who put PCs into our cars actually want to use them to better communicate with and tune the car's ECU. Examples of what I mean:
    - Vag-COM (VCDS) Engine Diagnostics for VW / Audi
    - AEM Engine Management for many Japanese and other applications
    - GIAC Flashloader for many European makes
    - MegaSquirt custom engine management for many applications
    - Apexi Power FC for many Japanese Makes/Models

    Booya!
    IPhone is the only wifi obd2 supported phone atm, wifi support is coming to OBDroid eventually.... but as for the rest of that list, there's no way I can do any of it due to the fact I don't have a car that supports any of that hardware.... I think that's the issue you're going to run into. You need someone that: Has the phone you want it on, is a developer for that phone, has the hardware you need, is interested in developing phone applications for that hardware. That's a VERY specific list of requirements for a person :P
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    Why not just put Android on your CarPC? http://code.google.com/p/live-android/

    Theres a few wifi OBD scanners that work with Android as well. Someone here is making one iirc.

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