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  • The future is in smart phones

    6 10.17%
  • The future is in carputers

    18 30.51%
  • My carputer causes me more trouble than fun, so my future is in my phone

    3 5.08%
  • I love my carputer and I dont care what the future holds...

    24 40.68%
  • The future is in tablets

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Thread: What's the point to this carputer thing anyway...?

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    I just did a quick count of the number of posters who mentioned that screen size is an issue that would prevent smart phones from taking the place of a car pc. I got 8, there might be more, but I was scanning quickly.

    The second most prevalent obstacle was that the phones are too easy to lose and there goes all your data.

    I guess I'm surprised that most people think that future smart devices won't be able to connect to large screens and that all of your data and configuration information will be on a single device in a single location and that those devices will continue to be so difficult to configure that you can't afford to lose it.

    Is that really what everyone thinks? That the pc paradigm that puts all information and data on a single hardware configuration will persist... well, for how long do you think?

    And in addition, there is no value add to being able to access the millions of computers and limitless data on the net because it is currently too expensive or currently not useful or looks kind of clunky or insecure right now? Is that really what you mean to say?

    Or that the smart phone is merely clever shrinking of desktop system and thus represents merely a smaller form factor rather than a device that brings a different set of capabilities to the user? Or, even if it does, that it really isn't a game changer for the average person and certainly won't have much of an effect in the car. That's what you all meant, right?

    And that in the next few years manufacturers won't make phones that solve the screen size problem (and control issues that go along with that) or make it easy to pick up your data from a replacement phone if you lose or damage your current one. Ever. Right?

    I just want to get the remarks on record for later. Inquiring minds want to know....

    And remember, I'm still troll-posting for fun an entertainment. No need to get too bent out of shape over this thread!
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    i wonder if this thread would get any more responses if it were moved to the general section-- i only found it because it was in one of the listings at the top(i rarely ever check the laptop section).

    overall, i think that technology is starting to move more towards integration instead of innovation:

    from what i have seen in posts, threads, and articles from recent electronics shows, both this year, and the last couple years, there seems to be much less brand new, never thought of ideas and products, but more products and ideas on how to better integrate a bunch of devices, or customize the user experience.

    bugbyte--for the record : i do not see, either now, or in the future, phones becoming the only centerpiece of mobile entertainment. this is because the devices lack, and will continue to lack certain features in the mobile environment that make it such a great phone.

    using the iphone as a example, because everyone is familiar with it: would you ever want to use a iphone outside of the car with a 5"-7" screen, and large onscreen buttons? i know i wouldn't-- it would too bulky, and i would find the large buttons clunky, and wasting space-- because my attention would be focused on the device..

    but, i do see a move to integrating the phone with the car systems, and a push to allow consumers to use certain things on/in their phone while in the car, without actually having to use the phone.

    there is also the customization that consumers have started to expect from app store like places-- businesses are starting to realize that everyone wants a 'custom' feel to their car(is there a app for it?), most do not want exactly what everyone else has...

    i also predict that phones will get faster(the nexus 1 is using a 1ghz processor already...), and they will start to be able to do more, but will probably do it via breakout cables, to keep the phones small.

    the reason that i do not see phones becoming the centerpiece in cars is that there would need to be a standard across most brands that has not been set yet-- would you pick a car based on what phone you have?

    i do not see blackberry working with chevy, and ford, and dodge, and motorola to get a custom dock-- there is just too much competition between brands to allow all of these companies to work together to reach a adequate solution...

    alright, that is enough predicting for now, i imagine i am going to wonder what i was smoking while posting this in a year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    HAHAHAHA. Of course I can, through skype (via seperate 3G card). Also hands free via tethering. So I actually have 2 ways to make a call. Nice try though.
    Ok tether your phone to make a call through your PC. Why not just use your phone...
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    Quote Originally Posted by simplex View Post
    Slower than an SD card in the phone?
    Most SSD hard drives dont support WinXP or win XP doesnt support them because they are too slow to run an operating system as such. Read the fine print for these drives they are the equivalent to an SD card as far as speed goes, sometimes slower.
    Tried this and definitely dont reccomend it. That is if you like performance.
    Most SD cards in a phone are for storage. ROM is used for OS, which is definitely more streamlined than and HD or SSD on the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    HAHAHAHA. Of course I can, through skype (via seperate 3G card). Also hands free via tethering. So I actually have 2 ways to make a call. Nice try though.
    Oh yeah sorry, connect to the internet, through your phone (that can make calls) to make a call from your PC.
    Again, use the device that is designed to make calls to make calls... Like an android phone....
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderStick View Post
    Most SSD hard drives dont support WinXP or win XP doesnt support them because they are too slow to run an operating system as such. Read the fine print for these drives they are the equivalent to an SD card as far as speed goes, sometimes slower.
    Tried this and definitely dont reccomend it. That is if you like performance.
    Most SD cards in a phone are for storage. ROM is used for OS, which is definitely more streamlined than and HD or SSD on the market.
    SSD are partially not better than HDD "STILL" but eventually might become, it is true that they are overadvertised, but intel has already made pretty good (HIGHLY EXPENSIVE) progress with those, and in a few years I trust they will be cost effective.



    The reason why phones will not replace PCs is the same reason laptops have not replaced desktops "completely", because there is always and edge that need to be done over a simpler and more flexible environment and thats PC niche.

    Now we have HD everything, tomorrow 3D stuff, and God knows what will be next, as long as there is people who want to be "one level above" there will be a reason for PC, CarPC or stuff like this to exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wayne613 View Post
    Can't see any phone now or near future doing all of what a decent CarPC can do, more importantly, what it is expected to do functioning as this kind of appliance.

    Btw, those that are toting the banned by law card for the phones as reference to their arguement, expect the same sooner rather than later with most functions in a manufacturer shipped CarPC solution.

    It seems damned near everything is a target of the Nanny state sooner or later. Of course the US gets the front-runner position, but I'm sure the usual strong-arm or hinted at "you should to's" will catch on to other areas soon after. Personal responsiblity, using decent judgement? Never.....Just make a law to ban, punish or criminalize it.

    We just had an article locally putting a spotlight on it, and of course inferring law alterations and manufacturer culpability should some fool decide to watch Jerry Springer on the beltway and take out grandma Jones.
    Leave the politics at home....especially when they in no way relate to the thread.

    Bugbyte happy trolling lol

    Most SSD hard drives dont support WinXP or win XP doesnt support them because they are too slow to run an operating system as such. Read the fine print for these drives they are the equivalent to an SD card as far as speed goes, sometimes slower.
    Tried this and definitely dont reccomend it. That is if you like performance.
    Most SD cards in a phone are for storage. ROM is used for OS, which is definitely more streamlined than and HD or SSD on the market.
    You REALLY need to check your facts....the very first SSD hard drives were slower then conventional harddrives but that hasn't been the case for awhile now. You should also realize that the zero latency and simultaneous reading of SSD hold advantages conventional harddrives never can-ones that a user can actually take advantage of.

    Even SD cards are now far faster then conventional harddrives...the latest SDHC spec is 104MB/s read with the capability to go to 300.

    Rom on most phones is actually quite a bit slower then either of those numbers due to the system bus bottleneck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderStick View Post
    Ok tether your phone to make a call through your PC. Why not just use your phone...
    Because then i have to fumble with the small screen, and not pay attention to the road. On my Car PC hit a big gaint button that says answer or ignore. I also can dial with big gaint numbers.

    The 3G card is only for internet. I never tether my phone because then I have to get disconnected from the internet and I hate that. Then internet radio will stop.
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    Its been a long time since I have posted here or even read anything but this one really caught my eye.

    The idea of a computer in my vehicle that does what I want is attractive but over the years I have started straying away from the idea. I guess what it comes down to is sitting in my truck for an hour while windows updates, or drivers load for different devices just isnt worth the effort.

    As I drive to work I get more and more frustrated with the computer and want to rip it out. Different popups or errors, slow boot time etc.

    I can pull my phone out plug it in and get instant always on access to music, maps etc.

    Someone made the point that there are various after market systems that are technically considered carpc, but as a hobbyist Im just not seeing the satifaction of my own product working or meeting the standards of my phone or those aftermarket systems.

    At this point in the hobby I hoped to have a stable, functional system that does what I want. I have it. I carry it in my pocket.

    Now I just have to find the time to restore my truck to factory or find an after market system I can be happy with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fixinstuff View Post
    Its been a long time since I have posted here or even read anything but this one really caught my eye.

    The idea of a computer in my vehicle that does what I want is attractive but over the years I have started straying away from the idea. I guess what it comes down to is sitting in my truck for an hour while windows updates, or drivers load for different devices just isnt worth the effort.

    As I drive to work I get more and more frustrated with the computer and want to rip it out. Different popups or errors, slow boot time etc.

    I can pull my phone out plug it in and get instant always on access to music, maps etc.

    Someone made the point that there are various after market systems that are technically considered carpc, but as a hobbyist Im just not seeing the satifaction of my own product working or meeting the standards of my phone or those aftermarket systems.

    At this point in the hobby I hoped to have a stable, functional system that does what I want. I have it. I carry it in my pocket.

    Now I just have to find the time to restore my truck to factory or find an after market system I can be happy with.
    How often did you have to update Windows? In the time I had mine installed I only did one update and because I have a 54G card installed it only took a few minutes. Driver install is so rare. The first time I installed my devices, that was it. I guess some people have good experiences and others have bad ones. I have had both, but in the end I love the Car PC.
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