OH yeah, forgot to add that I can see the android screen perfectly in direct sunlight.
now beat that carpc...LOL
Wow damn near 10 years later I finally found a good carputer setup... NONE at all. Ripped it all out today and replaced it with a Motorola Cliq (Google Android Phone).
Why the cliq and not the nexus one or droid from verizon. Cliq has a built in keyboard, has been around for over a year and is still a top ranked android device and is very easy to use.
After years of spending thousands trying to develop something stable, practical, usable and most importantly affordable I have to say this device has got me thinking. Carputer no more.
My android phone is ten times more capable then any carputer I have ever installed. Granted it can't play DVD's, but who here has DVD's anymore anyway. Netflix and internet streaming are the thing of the future and android will be sure to support them thanks to the huge open source type of project it is.
Today I used a program on my android called WAZE. It is a social network type of Open GL GPS navigation program. That's right crowd sourced GPS, with traffic alerts, road speed determination, user defined traffic reports (similar to trapster) and best of all it's free. I also have ALK Co-Pilot installed on my android and found that waze is much more accurate at providing efficient routes (surprisingly). Waze does require an internet connection and Co Pilot does not. Other than that waze definitely has copilot beat.
Android is surely the thing of the future with limitless possiblities as was hoped with the carputer but developement never seemed to keep up with technology and seems to really lag when it comes to wireless features such as bluetooth phone support and internet capabilities. My android will not need a BT connection to any external device since it is an all in one thing.
Oh yeah, did I mention it streams Pandora Radio. I have been using this all week and I can't be more impressed. Yesterday My kid watched toy story streamed from the net using a program called lukluk.
I know it seems like I may be bragging but I am just trying to find an opposing opinion.
Now of course screen size doesn't compare to what you can have with your carputer. Even the screen size of the carputer provides challenges for less experienced car modders. But if you can handle using a tom-tom or garmin device surely an android is well suited for you.
What about the iphone. Not even close, had it on at&t and I got to say that sucked. Att service blows (unavailable support on the weekends?). The iphone apps are not nearly as available as android will be. Googles commitment to free information will assure this with a lot of ad supported or information sharing type programs. Which doesn't seem to be all to concerning for most facebookers and twits lately.
Any way what do you think, am I on the wrong path.. I don't think so...
These new phones are definitely the carpc killers of tomorrow or maybe even today.
My original idea for a carpc explained better
Everything you mention can be done on a CarPC just as well and more... Still dont see the advantage other than form factor.
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What about voice control of media? Is it possible? If not it's too bad, because I doubt you could use steering wheel controls either. How can you select a playlist on that tiny screen otherwise or search for an artist/movie/video clip?
Can you attach an external HD too? And what if your wife drives your car too, does it mean you have to have another phone handy? Or she can drive without music and the advanced features?
Sorry, for all the reasons above, either it's not for me, or I simply don't get it.
screen... too... small....
in all seriousness, waze looks pretty cool.
I'd like to see carputers become simpler, easier to manage devices that integrate with the smart phone's better while still offering the same expandability. I see a few issues with replacing everything at this point with a phone:
1) How will you do obd obd-logging, etc? What if you don't have your phone?
2) Android sucks at video, how will you watch movies. How will your kids in the back seat play their media? What if your wife want's to play something via her phone?
3) Your phone has extremely limited storage, how will you play *all* your media. Do you have to stream everything?
4) a2dp/handsfree, does your stock stereo support it?
5) Can you control your phone with your mind? You can a carpc.
I'm sure I can think of more, but that's good for now.
- Backup cam/dash cam/security, Radar/sonar, Radar detection cam would also be missing in a phone-only solution.
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I agree completely. The phones of tomorrow will kill the car PC's of today.
However, 2k1 makes some good points. You still need some type of 'help' in the car. The two biggest issues with the current smartphones are screen size and control of programs.
As you will find out, trying to control your phone while driving is much more difficult than the car pc. However, unlike what many will tell you, I think this will be solved by people who come up with ways to control the phone from car inputs. People who frequent places like this.
Second, while your smartphone connects to the electronic world, it doesn't do such a good job of connecting to the real world. Controlling relay boards? Backup/in car cam? Unlocking the car? Monitoring the radar detector? Not the job of a smart phone.
That's why the future is in the integration of the phone into the car environment. Many will argue that the phone gets supplemented by a car pc. Maybe at first. But later, more with a car pc appliance. A low cost, low power device that stays always on and handles those external integration chores so that when you bring your smart phone into the car, it extends the experience and bridges the gap between car and net.
Add to that some of the web services we're building under the OSDash project and you have a new car pc experience built not around a device but around your situation. (Hint: your trapster app would be a good candidate) The focus of the car pc is moving away from the device and towards the experience of a true mobile pc - in your pocket. The car is just one part of that experience.
I understand your point, maybe technology will get there someday, but for now I have to respectfully disagree.
Usually technology first is born, then matures and then finally is usefull.
If you are interested in having a gadget in your car, the android phone might be good "I donīt have one so I am not an expert yet", but if you wish to have a complete integration of different devices not thought to be used together, the only platform that can make it real is a PC.
It seems to me that the carputers you have used were not set or planned properly, I mean even my first build some years back worked very well and I mean for an outdated xp machine that I had laying around ready to trash and converted to car pc.
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I have supposedly one of the best android phones around the Samsung Moment and even that android is a very innovative phone OS it needs some polishing... I mean the phone is good but I'm a little disappointed.
So yes a good idea but not a definitive replacement for car pc.
thats my 2 cent on it...
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A Carputer / CarPC has a virtually endless range of features.
In short, what is considered to be the best of tech/computers these days..
The desktop computer, A mobile phone is still just an accessory that is slowly gaining a hold in the market as a computer.
But if you want something that can do everything, Then your carpc is the best choice. When you look at a car requiring all of the features that can be integrated like security, storage, access times, expandability, ready available expansions with mass variation of designs and price ranges. Easy of replacing a single broken part.
The mobile phone is still out weighed easily by the computer. Maybe in another 5 years i will myself look into mobile phones once google has the internet patent under their title... But until then, I need a screen that i can see easily and will not have to be removed every time i leave the car with a distance of over 100 meters (bluetooth).
But after all, the CarPC is about being a hobbiest..
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Okay, I'll troll here a bit. Just for the sake of annoying a lot of people.
All I ever hear when it comes to car PC's is "features". Most people don't want features. They want functionality. And features <> functionality.
Is the car PC the best and easiest platform for experimentation? Yep. Is it the best platform for dedicated in car entertainment by people other than hobbyists? Nope. Will it ever be? Nope.
Features are great if you want to experiment. Or capability. However you want to define technology. But functionality is really what most people want.
So, Thunderstick, you realize you are addressing the wrong crowd with your comment, right? The hobbyists will persist with the best platform for experimentation. That's the car pc right now. That's why I said the smartphones of *tomorrow* will replace the car pc's of *today*. That will never be good enough for the bleeding edge - nor should it be. But eventually, they'll shift as well to something different when the time comes.