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    Quote Originally Posted by SapporoGuy View Post
    Wow! A company can claim coverage for all of the US!
    jeez, even Japan can't cover an area about the size of California....

    I love the idea of cloud in the car but there are times that you'll be looking at dropped calls and just plain no service. 1.9 million people in town and I still get dead zones due to over loaded / underpowered cell towers, buildings and just plain dips in the topography ...

    It'll be a few more years
    A few more years...but its on the way. It seems to me like we should be on the forefront of this.

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    some say that tablets will outsell netbooks in 2 years or less. These type of devices really require a faster wireless connection and will drive companies to push out there LTE/4G solutions sooner.
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    Yep, LTE/4G will help. But, you still have to deal with reception and what not in various terrains. I would love to have full (100%, country wide) coverage, however, even the mighty DoCoMo is struggling.

    I agree with Tidder. I had a similar conversation the other day and was saying that i/tablet has finally broken the market. A true device that most people will use and "can" use.

    PCs are going to be like servers in the future. Only those who really need the full power will be using one. I haven't used a tower pc in close to 7 years (outside office machines), I have been all laptop since then. This is what Apple has done to the market with the ipad/iphone/ipod. They proved that most people can live with applications that you don't need to know the file structure and with a browser.

    My GF is also another example. I haven't seen her open her laptop since she got her iphone.

    Her is something else to consider.
    Japan is pc dumb. period. Most pcs are used to collect dust until Christmas card (over here it's postcards) season comes around. Everything else is done with Japanese cell phones. The iphone was the first smart phone that made it to daily viewing on the streets. Other smart phones were for major hard core geeks which you never saw anyway.

    I'm a bit harsh on pc users over here but it still remains that the pc in your pocket is the way of the future.

    For the car. Car stereos are handicapped by the lack of FM stations. For a city of 1.9 million people I can tune in 3 fm stations (1 is NHK, basically pbs) and a few local 3-4 mile radius shops. IF I go into the country side I get the added 1 or 2 AM stations from Korea or Russia depending on which side of the island you are on.

    So, TV and Car Navigation systems are huge over here. lolo, TV is only 4 commercial and 1 public (NHK, pbs type). I shall refrain from comments on broadcasting content from the regular stations. ... NHK is boring and targets old folks but at least it is really high quality (it should be since it is a mandatory payment system ...)

    ummmm, cable and satellite is relatively not much better.
    NO XFM!!!!! (however, a cable based radio system is available for a fee .... pandora is still better )

    Enough of the ramble.

    If I had the money to put a satellite in orbit I could make my money back with in the year just on radio!

    The above explains why I keep harping on the idea of cheap 2Din dumbdumb installed unit. $300 would put the market to shame and would take over a huge share of the non-factory molded cars. I hate the idea of not being able to swap out my indash radio ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heather View Post
    so says Ford with their Built In (Embedded), Brought In (App Link Download) and Beamed In (Cloud) strategy.
    But thats different...Fords MyTouch system is a locally based, internet connected system. Should the wireless signal drop out all core systems continue to work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heather View Post
    But...Google would beg to differ. Their head of biz dev in Detroit last week said it was only a few years before they jumped over embedded applications to get to the driver through a web browser.
    Google has a revenue model to protect... ChromeOS had far less impact then they originally planned-and that had a hardline connection to the internet.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heather View Post
    And Verizon's new LTE map shows continuous coverage throughout the US. I've got to real understanding of how true this is, but if it is the case, streaming you front end the whole time while on a cross country road trip should be no problem. (the case for OS Dash
    Thats just good marketing.... if you compare verizons current "actual" coverage to its coverage map, you'll find quite a difference. Not to mention the number of overloaded nodes (vegas, dc,miami,etc.) and thats before the new wave of tablets and pc's join the network-streaming video and downloading large files. I'll have to find the link but their investment in their backend is far short of the rate of growth of network data usage.

    Offering LTE to its users is like connecting a fire hose to a regular household spigot and claiming everyone gets more water......theres simply not the backend to support it.

    But thats all way off topic..we all support internet connected car computing which has a great and real short term future. The issue is whether a cloud car (aka entirely based in the cloud) has anything but a long term future. Just think of how many times you go behind a building and lose cell service, or in a parking garage, or any of a dozen other places....thats a big problem for a cloud car.

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    Saporro Guy - "My GF is also another example. I haven't seen her open her laptop since she got her iphone." double meaning... HA!

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    To my initial point... I forsee a natural evolution taking place in the next 12 months in car computing. I think we'll see it here in the forums. We can talk simantics of OS's all day... the new slates will allow for multiple choices. Most people don't NEED to run high end software on their computer. Netbooks are selling well because the majority of the market wants to
    1. get online
    2. watch porn
    3. email their grandmother
    4. the grandmother then plays solitare. no pun intended.

    these low power consuming, multiple touch screen badasses are quickly becoming the next thing. I'm already seeing large company manufactured car mounts for the iPad... some software and some mod's for the other slates and we'll see the same thing. But in all seriousness, I'm saying we see a vast increase in the amount of users of slates, and probably subscribers to the boards because of it.

    As for the cloud... it's coming. It took years to build the road infrastructure that North America has, it'll be the same for the "information superhighway". It'll be no time at all before you're processor speed means almost nothing, and we're running web based aps and you superbuilders are running autocad wirelessly from a server in Tahiti.

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    Kalenth, errr ... that was too close to home lololo
    Thinking about upgrading pretty soon but legacy software is a bit of a problem at the moment. ... I've already changed OSes once

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    I agree with the i/tablet generation statements. It's just time and broader adoption which will be based on budgets and aging desktop PCs.

    The million dollar question is; do we have enough resources here to tap into a bigger piece of the pie. (lolo, I already see that coming )

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    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    brave move to go with win7, especially in light that HP dumped win7 in favor of webOS for their tablets.
    I'll do what I seem to be doing a lot on forums these days and ask for a source link?

    Can't find one? Neither could anyone else who spouted this rumour as fact.

    Really though with the ExoPC having higher spec components than the proposed HP Slate, I wouldn't mourn the Slate if it was pulled.

    Plenty of people out there who want the convenience of a tablet ipad like device, while still being able to run any windows app they would on their laptop.

    I can't replace my aging P4 1.5 with an ipad, however I could with an ExoPC and a bluetooth keyboard for the times I need dedicated typing. I'd much prefer this setup to a netbook, or an ipad.

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    The slate has pretty much been pulled. It got lackluster reviews, and HP has, if not stopped it, then changed their direction. I know they are looking at other hardware options, as well as the posibility of going with an Android OS. We'll see.

    A couple of others I've looked at are the JooJoo... which was promissing till you see the storage. It's definetly meant only as a net tablet.

    https://thejoojoo.com/sites/


    and the Wepad... now called the wetab. Out of europe... this one actually looks promising. All of these will need the same thing though, a custom front end to run in the car that has nice BIG finger happy buttons.

    http://wetab.mobi/en

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    Allow me to interject, but many of these devices are poor replacements for an actual car PC. 1. They are too big and 2. No car mounting hardware and 3. NO GPS!!!

    After having a failed install with a normal car PC, I decided to go tablet. Lemme see if I cannot interest you with some great tablets I found.


    Clarion Mind
    4.8" touchscreen, 4GB flash memory, GPS, BT, WIFI and only for $150!!!! Also includes car mounting hardware. While it more resembles a GPS device, any OS can be loaded on there and up to a 16GB microSD card can be installed for more storage. Also very hackable.


    Jenson NVX3000PC
    7" touchscreen, 30GB 1.8" HDD, GPS, BT, WIFI, microphone and sells for about $330. While the HW is pretty dated and low-powered, it could make a great carPC with the right OS and FE. This device also comes with all car mounting hardware as well.


    Archos 9 PC Tablet
    9" touchscreen, intel ATOM, WIFI and BT, and 60GB HDD. Equiped with the proper software, this could make for an interesting pad. While no GPS, it could easily be added using the included usb ports. Also the price is pretty reasonable at $540.


    Viliv X70
    7" touchscreen, intel ATOM, WIFI, BT, GPS. The top end of the Intel Atom tablets, it includes all the hardware one would need. Comes with Windows 7 and also has a "cube UI" that may in fact replace a FE entirely. Although the $700 pricetag may be steep, think of what you are getting over the IPAD.

    Now if you are feeling adventurous, there are numerous ARM and embedded devices that are around the $200-$300 range. Ecrater is your best bet for finding these devices in one place. Also many of these devices have free shipping. Not sure how hackable they are, but I am pretty sure you could load some form of linux on them at least.

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