No I don't think anyone here is arrogant, and certainly not an *******. Thanks for the kick in the pants. I think I will build my first system in my 300ZX for fun since it is my play car not my daily driver. Unfortunately I need to keep my van looking presentable in case I'm taking a customer out to lunch or something along those lines so I can't have an "ongoing" project in it. Hopefully after doing the install for fun on the ZX I will have enough know how to do a weekend install on the Van from start to finish.