I'm obviously no authority, but if I'm reading the application guide correctly, here's how it goes. Looking at the backlight, the notch goes in the upper right hand corner. If using BEFII as well, then the BEFII goes on top of the backlight first, then the DBEF on top of the BEFII.
-Kevin
Ok, well I just took apart my Ex-Audio (Lilli Widescreen 7" with side buttons but came out about 6-9months earlier), and I think I got it all in there. I looked in the brochure and it explains the mounting quite well.
Backlight --> Diffuser --> Head-On (apply directly to the forehead... j/k) BEF Film --> Reflectve BEF (We are using the BEFII stuff) --> DBEF Film --> LCD
Whew!
Also the notches to viewing angle is in the book as well. I figured it shows upper right hand corner for a wider-than-taller screen, so that is what I did. I just did a quick power plug in and I do see the text on the LCD so I didnt polarize it away!
It is 2am though so very little sunlight to test with. I still have to screw everything back together and hot glue my circuit board back down, but done overall.
I have to say... One of the more terrifying experiences in my life! Being in university $200 is a hell of a lot of money to me for a screen. And to fiddle with it to make it better even though it does work messes with my "if it aint broke, dont fix it" motto, so scared x2. Then I had never dissambled a functional LCD panel that I expected to put back together again, so that was scary. I didnt expect such small screws and everything. A hell of a lot of tape in there too holding clear plastic protective layers down too.
Also I noticed the model I had actually had "Backlight --> Reflective Diffuser --> Diffuser --> LCD" already... and it is a "lilliput". The Reflective Diffuser looked to have the same polarizing properties as the BEFII 90/50, however not nearly as strong. I held it up to a light and I would say the 3M stuff is at least 200% better at reflecting the light infront back and recycling the light behind to a glow. I left it all in there, so I now have 4 sheets in there.
As a good side, I left my windows rolled up today, and I came back to the car to discover my touchscreen area was all bubbled, and it wasnt something I could feel so I figured I baked it. I thought "perfect. :rollseyes: Just in time for me to mess with the LCD..." but once I took it apart tonight, I realized I accidentally left the clear plastic protector on the component side of the touchscreen! So I pulled that off and all was good. (it was a replacement after I cracked my last one).
If anyone is interested in pictures, I have a few. More of dissamebly and almost none of re-assembly. After I got the metal frames off, I wanted to hurry up to avoid the time exposed to a dusty (and cat-hair filled) room.
Also 1 11x11 sheet is good for 2 screens horizontally, and 1 vertically. I had to use 2 pieces of the BEF II because after I removed the protective film, I sneezed. :blush: And then got dust and oily fingerprints all over it. I touched it with the back of my finger to try and wipe some dust off, and the polarization layer started to disintegrate and scratch. So dont handle the polarizer much at all! Grab it like you are "supposed" to hold a CD. Edges only, since the severe edges will be covered anyways as non-visible portion of the LCD.
That was a long post!
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Awesome, looking forward to the results in sunlight!
I still need my DBEF film shipped to me!
Nice post 2k1Toaster! Looking forward to seeing your pics![]()
Updated Procedure 9-8-07
Ok guys, just got done with my Xenarc 700TSV. Actually, just got done putting it back together for a second time. Unfortunatly I won't be able to test it in car for a while as I've decided to make repairs to my bezel while it's out. However, I have tested it in the house using sunbeams coming through the windows and I don't seem to be getting the results changeip got. However, I do see (and read) that the orientation of the film affects viewing angles. So that may be part of whats going on. Once I get it back in the car, we'll have some more solid results. I used 2 sheets of BEF-II in alternating directions(per the instructions), topped off with DBEF-E 0 degree. From my preliminary testing, it doesn't seem to be doing much for sunlight viewing. Maybe the 45 degree DBEF-E was more appropriate after all. My results thus far should not be taken as any kind of definitive proof that the film works or doesn't work. This is the just my results with this particular combo. I'm sure I have the films oriented correctly, because I disassembled the screen and double checked. With that said, lets get into the process I used for this.
First let me say, this isn't for the faint of heart. Having the screen out of its case and separated from the touchscreen board is one thing. Disassembling the LCD is far more involved. Not trying to scare anyone out of it, but just be aware of what you're getting yourself into. With that said, I'm not responsible if you mess up your screen. This process worked for me(so far anyway), but may not necessarily work for you. My screen is a second gen(?) Xenarc with the 4-wire touchscreen. Therefore newer Xenarcs may be different.
I'm starting off from the LCD already being removed and separated from the touchscreen board.
Here you can see the various tabs that need to be pryed back in order to remove the LCD from the metal casing. You also need to pull the connector off that is stuck to the side of the metal casing.
Here are some more tabs that need to be pried back. Be very careful not to damage the ribbon cables. I suggest you use your fingernails rather than a screwdriver.
Once all the tabs have been pried back and you pull the connector off, you can now pull the screen from the metal casing and you should be left with just the LCD and backlight assembly. Next you need to remove the LCD ribbon cable so that you can rotate the LCD out of the way. Here's a close up of the ribbon cable, but it's also pictured in the first pic of this post.
Added 9-8-07: Here you see the screws you need to remove in order to separate the LCD from the backlight. You need to do this in order to get the metal shield around the backlight off. The ones noted with asterisks are ones that are not visible in the pic. They are there and if you look, you can't miss them. I forgot to take a pic when doing this part, so I used an old pic for illustrative purposes.
/9-8-07 Update
Here's a picture of the LCD face up after being removed from the metal casing. and the ribbon disconnected:
You next rotate the LCD up and out of the way, being very careful, not to damage these ribbon cables:
Her you can see the bottom of the LCD. I used my fingernails to gently pry it up and the edge(it is stuck with double sided tape, though the tape on mine was pretty weak).
Updated pic 9-8-07Here you see the LCD rotated out of the way:
Added 9-8-07 Start:
At this point, go ahead and separate the LCD and it's controller board from the backlight. Again, be very careful with the ribbon cables. No pic for this, sorry.
Next we need to remove the metal casing around the backlight. There are 2-3 clips on each edge of the screen that need to be pried away. In the following pics I've illustrated them.
Here the metal casing around the backlight has been removed and you see the top-most pre-installed film. I'm not sure what kind of film this is, but it's kind of opaque.
After removing the top-most film, you're greeted by another film. This film I suspect is BEF.
After removing that film, all thats left is the diffuser sheet.
I cut my pieces of film to 158mm by 97mm. However I did this the first time when I didn't fully disassemble the screen as I should. I recommend the films be cut to the following dimensions if your Xenarc looks like mine: 165mmx101mm. However, I still recommend you take your own measurements.
/ 9-8-07 Update
To cut them I used a piece of MDF as my cutting board along with a square and a VERY sharp X-acto knife.
As you can see I used a felt pen to mark what looks like V's on the film. This was so I knew where the notch in the film was. The notch is used for getting the correct orientation of the film. This is unfortunately where the pics end.
*Note: Others may want to try the steamy bathroom suggestion for a sudo clean room. I did this at my desk and as soon as I pulled off the protective sheets, dust clung to the films. I cleaned them with a slightly damp, eyeglass microfiber rag as best I could and just assembled it anyway. Didn't seem to show any dirt when I fired it up. Your mileage may very though. Definetly don't want any big debris getting there. I also recommend rubber gloves to avoid getting fingerprints on anything.
From here I laid down a piece of the BEF-II over the backlight diffuser with the now imaginary notch in the upper right corner.
Next another piece of BEF-II, cut so that it's rotated 90 degrees from the first piece when mounted. It's the equivalent of rotating the sheet so the notch faces out the side of the top left corner of the screen.
Next the DBEF-E 0 degree was placed on top of the second piece of BEF-II with the imaginary notch in the upper right corner.
After that, the LCD is reinstalled and the disassembly procedure is reversed for re-assembly. I left out the 2 pre-installed films when I re-assembled.
Things I may try differently to improve performance:
1. May remove the second piece of BEF-II and see what happens. Maybe I didn't cut the second piece right and it's oriented the same as first sheet effectively canceling the first sheet out.
2. Try to get some DBEF-E 45 degree. Maybe 45 degree was somehow more appropriate for this application.
3. Try the ESR film .
4. Try the ARMR-200 anti-glare film.
I'm still interested in hearing other people's experiences and seeing pics of what others have done.![]()
It's entirely possible I did something wrong and if thats the case, hopefully someone will point it out. I've never disassembled an LCD before, so maybe I was incorrect about what I thought was the backlight and what was the LCD.
well i am out delivering now, but it is overcast and raining...
I did notice that the screen seemed more vibrant. It also looks more reflective too. This I suppose is what we want, reflecting the white light of the sun back evenly.
However, it occurred to me, that the BEFII should have a front and back, shouldnt it? One side smooth (faces backlight) the other pyramid grooved (reflective up)... I did not pay attention to which side was which. I do not even know if it matters. of course "grooved" and "smooth" are relative since its on the magnitude of microns!
Anyone know if there are sides, and if so, which is which? Hopefully tomorrow there is some sun.
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Oh, and if i can find my T9 screwdriver bit, i may do my phone too! Transflective smartphones.![]()
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1.9in x 2.9in -- 47mm x 73mm
30 Digital Outputs -- Directly drive a relay
15 Analogue Inputs -- Read sensors like temperature, light, distance, acceleration, and more
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I was thinking of doing my PPC phone as well. As long as your oriented the BEFII with the notch in the upper right corner, you're fine. Thats how you know the right side is facing forward.
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