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    The only real question, is what can we do about it?

    I myself bought my current screen while I was on holiday in China, and it was quite a bit cheaper, but still expensive.

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    I think what manufacturers and retailers in this field need to realize is that although much work has been done to ease the PC into the automobile as a multifunction device, one of the last, if not the last, large barrier to entry into this field is the lack of a reasonable and workable touch screen. Remove this barrier (i.e., provide an inexpensive transflective touch screen that can take its native resolution without custom timing and prayer), and not only will you corner the entire market, but the market will expand...quickly, too. Put this in an all-in-one package with a double-din mount, and your market will start looking more the size of Pioneer's or Alpine's instead of cheapkilts.com.
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    I still think you all are missing the point. Take a look at NTSC video screens. They are CHEAP and come in many more sizes. Why? Because manufacturers sell them by the millions. When you consistently make a million screens a year for several years in a row and compete with other manufacturers making a million screens a year you can afford to do things like buy parts in bulk to receive discounts, insource or outsource production processes to reduce costs, refine designs to improve assembly speed and reliability and ultimately lower costs. In short, all of the things that allow one to reduce costs from economies of scale.

    I don't think the VGA screen market is near that big. There are fewer opportunities to harness economies of scale and, yes, there are fewer competitors which keeps prices from falling. Surely if a competitor entered the market with a $150 VGA touchscreen and a $300 transflective screen that had comparable quality and features, the Xenarc and Lilliputs of the world would be forced to drop their prices or exit the market.

    The combination of smaller scale and fewer competitors means prices stay high. Now, in real terms (that is, inflation adjusted) simply holding the prices at the same level means they are cheaper but it's not as noticeable:

    $280 in 2004 = $319 in 2009. That is, if Lilliput had raised its price each year to keep up with inflation, their screens would now cost $319. Conversely, a $280 screen today would have sold for $246 in 2004. So it is a bit cheaper, although not nearly the amount we would all like.

    Transflective screens are practically a single vendor situation. So yeah, the price is high. Likely a pretty high markup going on there.

    The best solution to the price problem would be for auto manufacturers to switch to transflective VGA screens for in-dash solutions. However, they seem to be getting along pretty well without them. They are very careful to build interfaces that appear to be VGA quality but aren't and they sink them into the dash to handle the sunlight problem. The average person can't tell until you try to connect a computer to them.
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    Umm youguys realize there are tablet PCs with a bigger transflective touchscreen and an entire PC you can buy for less than the cost of an expensive 7" stand alone screen right? All the arguments about cost for making these are missing the point. If someone set up to mass produce them then they could easily be sold for around 100. There isn't the market though. There just isn't a good driving force for such small screens.

    They charge what people will pay pure and simple. People pay b/c they do not have other options. It is in every manufacturers best interest to see that it stays that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sxott View Post
    Umm youguys realize there are tablet PCs with a bigger transflective touchscreen and an entire PC you can buy for less than the cost of an expensive 7" stand alone screen right?
    Might be a good alternative to the smaller screens. What models use these?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    Might be a good alternative to the smaller screens. What models use these?
    Some Toshibas and Fujitsu's are the big ones. They say they are "outside screens" or something, they dont use the word transflective.

    But again you are left with the problem of driving it.

    And back to the original point, yes the screen and pc in a laptop is cheaper. Because they sell a bagillion a year, they can afford that. There is 0 market for 7"-8" VGA transflectives. That simple.

    Actually I think Turbo uses a laptop reflective screen from a Fujitsu in his FX, but I havent been able to follow it in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    Some Toshibas and Fujitsu's are the big ones. They say they are "outside screens" or something, they dont use the word transflective.

    Actually I think Turbo uses a laptop reflective screen from a Fujitsu in his FX, but I havent been able to follow it in a while.
    Yeppers. I almost bought one, but I can't possibly use a screen that big in my car. They are so much cheaper, better, and come with a freaking PC too... btw those are sold in relatively low numbers still. Not like regular laptops. But you are still right about the market being too small. It is oligarchy not monopoly now. And it will probably stay that way forever unfortunately. Net books are a tad too big to drive panel prices down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sxott View Post
    Yeppers. I almost bought one, but I can't possibly use a screen that big in my car. They are so much cheaper, better, and come with a freaking PC too... btw those are sold in relatively low numbers still. Not like regular laptops. But you are still right about the market being too small. It is oligarchy not monopoly now. And it will probably stay that way forever unfortunately. Net books are a tad too big to drive panel prices down.
    no they arent sold in low numbers. The panels are used in many laptops even if the specific model of laptop is a low seller. And a low selling laptop is still a thousand times more popular then the transflective here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2k1Toaster View Post
    no they arent sold in low numbers. The panels are used in many laptops even if the specific model of laptop is a low seller. And a low selling laptop is still a thousand times more popular then the transflective here...
    That was what I meant, sorry if it was confusing. I was just saying even in those markets they are low numbers compared to 20" desktop monitors for example.

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