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    Custom LCD Manufacturers?

    Does anyone have info on any companies that will build custom CAPACITIVE LCD touchscreens?

    I've searched around this forum and Google and contacted about a dozen companies for info on their products...still waiting to hear back from MotorCityTech...but so far I've come up short.

    I'm basically tired of trying to 'work with what is readily available' and am willing to pay the price to have someone build the EXACT product I need. I'm currently using Lilliput 889GL-80NP/C/Ts in my truck but that's only because the 889 was the only unit available that met the majority of my needs at the time of install.

    NEEDS:

    8" widescreen LCD (with the same display-area dimensions as the Lilliput 889, 8" diagonal, 15:9 aspect ratio...fits perfectly in my dash opening)
    LED backlight
    Sunlight readable
    CAPACITIVE TOUCH (with a Windows-supported USB controller)
    Supported 800x480 native resolution
    DVI-D input (I can work withVGA, but would prefer DVI-D)
    NTSC color system
    Contrast ratio: at least 400:1
    Brightness: at least 400 cd/m2
    Viewing angle: at least 65⁰ L/R
    Power: 12v DC

    Thanks in advance.

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    I spoke with both of these companies but unfortunately they're only geared up to produce mass quantities and not singles or small batches.

    http://www.dawar.com
    http://www.oculardisplaysystems.com/lcd/tft.asp

    I could go on for a while about my frustrations with car-PC displays (7"+) and how far the technology has fallen behind, but it would be the longest rant ever. If you have any luck finding a solution, please let me know.
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    I agree...I ended up going with CarTFT CTF800-WMSL with the transflective screen; it's much better in the daylight...and the type of resistive overlay they use is much better then what I've seen on the Lilliputs.

    The Lilliputs are very shiny and tend to ripple and lift away from the LCD giving it a wave effect when you look at it from an angle. The CarTFT unit's overlay seems to be made of a sturdier material and stays flat against the screen.

    It also has the daylight sensor so it auto dims/brightens AND will actually support its native 800x480 resolution...other nice changes from my Lilliput.

    The only thing I kinda don't like is that my POST screen is 'Out of Range'...not a big deal, but I'd rather have my POST logo then 'Out of Range' displayed on the screen at start-up. I think I'm going to configure my CarNetix power supply to delay the monitor's power so it comes on with the amp.

    BACK TO THE TOPIC...CarTFT actually said they'd build me a capacitive touch version of the CTF800...but they wanted to charge me $20,000.00 for 'tooling'...(gasp). My reply to their quote was one word....'WOW!'...so I bought the resistive touch and called it a day.

    One of these manufacturers could make a KILLING if they just read these damn posts and built the type of displays we want...they're obviously building them with CarPCs in mind, so why not checkup on their potential customer's forums to make sure their properly filling the need. I think they call that market research?

    That's my rant...

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    I'm still on my 2nd Xenarc 700TSV only because I haven't found an ideal replacement yet. From what I can tell, transflective plays a role in the screen brightness in the sun and readability, but it's really the resistive touch panel that diffuses the sunlight and washes out the picture. My old Xenarc actually looks pretty good without the resistive overlay, but would be rather useless without touch.

    My latest goal is to find a capacitive overlay (preferably projected capacitive) with USB controller I can drop into the Xenarc bezel in place of the resistive POS. I know 3M has some but I can't find them anywhere. Finding them in the proper width/height and 16:9 widescreen is even more difficult.

    What surprises me the most is that LCD navigation systems in the latest high-end cars don't look much better. They have to be recessed into the dash to avoid the sunlight. I'm not sure how much of a killing they would make off car-PC enthusiasts like us, but I bet they would from auto mfg's looking for a better in-car display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guruerror View Post
    I agree...I ended up going with CarTFT CTF800-WMSL with the transflective screen; it's much better in the daylight...and the type of resistive overlay they use is much better then what I've seen on the Lilliputs.

    The Lilliputs are very shiny and tend to ripple and lift away from the LCD giving it a wave effect when you look at it from an angle. The CarTFT unit's overlay seems to be made of a sturdier material and stays flat against the screen.

    It also has the daylight sensor so it auto dims/brightens AND will actually support its native 800x480 resolution...other nice changes from my Lilliput.

    The only thing I kinda don't like is that my POST screen is 'Out of Range'...not a big deal, but I'd rather have my POST logo then 'Out of Range' displayed on the screen at start-up. I think I'm going to configure my CarNetix power supply to delay the monitor's power so it comes on with the amp.

    BACK TO THE TOPIC...CarTFT actually said they'd build me a capacitive touch version of the CTF800...but they wanted to charge me $20,000.00 for 'tooling'...(gasp). My reply to their quote was one word....'WOW!'...so I bought the resistive touch and called it a day.

    One of these manufacturers could make a KILLING if they just read these damn posts and built the type of displays we want...they're obviously building them with CarPCs in mind, so why not checkup on their potential customer's forums to make sure their properly filling the need. I think they call that market research?

    That's my rant...
    $20k is appropriate for custom tooling. This is also why it doesnt happen. How many would you have to sell to overcome the $20k startup? And you sould still have a screen that you can barely see, but is capacitive. So if you are willing to pay, $20k seems like a steal.
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    Well, another solution is just brightness. I have a 7" LCD in my car that is 1300 nits, with a cheap-o ebay resistive overlay on it, and you can see it no matter what. The brightness just wins out over any glare.

    The screen isn't a commercially available one though- I'm a EE and the company I work for sells a product that uses this screen, so I was able to hack one in. I'm trying to get us to sell it into a market like this though. It's hard to figure out the market size and see if it's worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guruerror View Post
    but they wanted to charge me $20,000.00 for 'tooling'...(gasp).
    Yea thats pretty much what they would have to spend on a 1 off...what did you expect?!

    Quote Originally Posted by brokenboy
    Well, another solution is just brightness. I have a 7" LCD in my car that is 1300 nits, with a cheap-o ebay resistive overlay on it, and you can see it no matter what. The brightness just wins out over any glare.

    The screen isn't a commercially available one though- I'm a EE and the company I work for sells a product that uses this screen, so I was able to hack one in. I'm trying to get us to sell it into a market like this though. It's hard to figure out the market size and see if it's worth it.
    If it has an LVDS connector I bet it would have a great market! As long as its dimmable it should be great in-car.

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