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    I can see why some people still build CarPCs. But for most, the tablet just makes so much more sense. Arguments against android tablets make sense in that software isn't quite there. It's not. But it's really dang close. You can pick up an android tablet, and instantly have 90% of a carpc, with pretty good software. Android as a whole is supported much more than riderunner or centrafuse. If you really wanted to make it car compatible it would be a breeze with the amount of forum and developer support. But to be honest, the gripes are pretty minuscule, the software is touch friendly, and easily navigable, just some of the buttons aren't big enough. For me, and probably many others, it's enough. Android is missing is a way to integrate HD radio. That has always ****ed me off, as I don't see that ever being supported by anyone other than a community like ours. But let's face it, it still isn't an easy task with a standard CarPC.

    Android is moving so fast. For isntance, I just found this Link to a relay board (Like a fusion brain). And it works over wifi and bluetooth. This is why I find a lot of the usb arguments kind of stupid. Unless the transfer speeds are required, almost everything coming out now is bluetooth or wifi connected.

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    A carPc will always be more capable than a tablet. But the amount more capable is diminishing rapidly as time goes on. As of now, I feel an android tablet is a better option for 85% of the people on this forum. there are still about 15% who need more than what a tablet can do at the moment. But next year, that will go down to about 8%, then about 2% the following year in my opinion.

    I honestly understand the arguments for a full carPC right now, I just doubt they will be as valid a couple years from now. And I completely wont understand them when better windows tablets come out. At that point the only thing you could say is that they are harder to integrate into your dash. But I mean honestly, if you can put a full carPC together then you can definitely figure out a way to integrate a tablet into your dash while keeping an OEM look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post
    There are quite a few single din and double din screens that fit in and give you a semi-stock look without ANY modification required other than removing your factory stereo. There is not a single option for tablets for this, nor can you fit a 7" tablet in a double-din space. It's just plain larger.
    Actually, there is a sort of an In-Dash Double DIN Android Tablet unit available. Granted it does look a bit cheesy, and I think the tablet does not fit the DIN area, but...................
    LINKY

    Still, it is hardly a replacement or even a viable option for a carputer imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lankin View Post
    A carPc will always be more capable than a tablet. But the amount more capable is diminishing rapidly as time goes on. As of now, I feel an android tablet is a better option for 85% of the people on this forum. there are still about 15% who need more than what a tablet can do at the moment. But next year, that will go down to about 8%, then about 2% the following year in my opinion.
    I really, REALLY doubt those numbers. Seriously? right now 85% of the people here would find it better to use a driod tablet over a custom rig in their car? Only 15% need more than that??
    I know you said this is you opinion, but come on. That is a ridiculously high number.

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    They might be a little high, but I don't think by much. I'm going off the build threads for the most part, as there is no real way to gauge what everyone really wants out of their carpc other than some super pole or something haha. But I feel that by looking at the build threads, most are satisfied when they have something along these lines:

    touch screen
    Media interface/File organization
    GPS/NAV

    Some go a little further with OBDII and phone, but that's about it for the most part. And all of that can be captured with an android tablet/head unit. So this was my thought process on those numbers.

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    And when I put/head unit II only meant to add that as an additional component for the tablet. As it would handle amplification and bluetooth phone if that is desired. Clearly everyone on this site wants customization of the interface too, more than a head unit offers. Well I think that is very very easy to do with android. So many launchers and customization methods.

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    You've made it clear Android Tablets don't suit you, but I think you're spreading some misinformation here that should be cleared up.
    Depending on which tablet you pick, out of the box you can do (for a fraction of the price and effort of a CarPC)
    - Touchscreen with gestures
    - GPS/aGPS
    - Navigation with Voice Search
    - 3G
    - Handsfree phone
    - Bluetooth
    - Wifi
    - Weather
    - Internal camera
    - External Wifi cameras
    A couple of free downloads will get you
    - Voice Control
    - OBD2
    - GPS Tracking


    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post
    lack of hardware compatibility Try to plug in a BU353, or a Fusion Brain, or a USB to serial converter to control a HD radio, or a Phidgets, or a Boomzbox, or an obd2 scantool
    Can do GPS (a lot of tablets come with it built-in)
    Can do Sparkfun IOIO (Fusion Brain replacement, at this stage have to write the software yourself, but remember, at some point there was no CarPC software either)
    Can do Internet streaming radio or some tablets come with FM tuners, or could use IOIO to control a HD Radio
    Can do OBD2

    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post
    lack of carpc style software
    A lot of the software uses gestures, perfect for use in the car. Agreed there may not be software that looks just like RR, but personally, RR has too much info, I prefer minimalist. But everyone will have their own preference with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post
    Without doing EXTENSIVE fiberglassing and modifications to the vehicle itself, there was no way to make it look anything but a cheap add-on. (see: theft-bait).
    I didn't do any fibreglassing or mods to the vehicle, and mine looks as stock as a 3rd party stereo or carpc install. On the off-chance someone does break in and steal it, I get an instant SMS as soon as it's removed from the dock, and I can then track it via GPS and take photos from the front-facing camera.
    http://www.mp3car.com/android-tablet...dvd-drive.html
    Some of the other installs on here with the tablet sitting in a dock, they're designed so the user can take the tablet with them and use it elsewhere.

    Quote Originally Posted by malcom2073 View Post
    nor can you fit a 7" tablet in a double-din space
    True, can't fit a 7" tablet IN the double-din, but there is enough room between the front of the din and the dash to fit a 7", that's where I have mine.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gullimonster
    if your requirements on a system are that low that a tablet will be enough, new double DIN radio systems will be enough too
    Tablets are way cheaper than 3rd party stereos, and have plenty of features that stereos wont do, plus you can customize almost as much as you want, stereos pretty much only let you customize the color scheme

    Agreed, there is a lot of the advanced stuff that Android won't do
    - Audiophile quality audio
    - CANBUS (although I have seen someone interfacing with their CANBUS but you'd be on your own with that)
    - TPMS etc.
    - almost nonexistent community for Android Car tablet software

    I'm not trying to change your mind, I wouldn't expect anyone who's already run all the cabling for a CarPC to pull it out and put in a tablet, I just wanted to clear up some of the misconception, it's not nearly as bad as you're making it out to be. It's all about trade-offs and what features you're willing to go without to save money and effort and complexity on the install.

    @tripzero, do you have a link to any of the stuff you've written for Android? I'm keen to check out what you have.

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    Wow badmonkey. You nailed it. I was too lazy to break it down that far haha.

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    And still, all the points you mention can be achieved with a double DIN, making this discussion pretty ironic, when you talk about "most people wont use stuff you use" and "tablets are much easier".

    We are talking about Car PCs. Why would anyone put in a Car PC, if they dont need one?
    And seriously, my setup isnt nearly as extreme as many others. I dont have TPMS, I dont have any relay cards or sensor cards, I dont even have OBD2. I consider it below average by Car PC standards. Lots of things I mentioned I havent even built in yet - but plan to. The newest thing I built in is the JoyCon and HD cam. And thats another reason people pick Car PCs. Being able to expand it so relatively easy, if you want something new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lankin View Post
    I honestly understand the arguments for a full carPC right now, I just doubt they will be as valid a couple years from now. And I completely wont understand them when better windows tablets come out. At that point the only thing you could say is that they are harder to integrate into your dash. But I mean honestly, if you can put a full carPC together then you can definitely figure out a way to integrate a tablet into your dash while keeping an OEM look.
    I guess repeating the dozens of hardware issues and restrictions 4 times will still get them blatantly ignored...
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