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    A windows tablet with usb ports? I don't see the restrictions. Oh wait, only one video out (to the touchscreen). Yea, ok, that's a restriction for sure. So a windows tablet, would work great for anyone that only wanted one screen? has windows os, GPS, bluetooth, USB, WIFI, new ones will probably have wifi-direct, touch screen. I am really trying to think of the restrictions, but I seem to be blinding myself to them. What exactly are you referring to?

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    The ones I and others mentioned several times already and you just ignored again completely...

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    My bad, I went further back and found your post, I have written responses to them below mainly from the android tablet perspective. Not all responses are solutions, or even possible on android, I just wrote my quick thoughts. This took some work to find your old posts haha, but it looks like I did miss some of your hardware issues.

    A tablet, even a 7", will never fit into my car.
    Really?
    I will never put a 10-14 port USB hub (or several others) on the only USB port available on a tablet, if it even has one, and if that one is actually a proper one
    if you need 14 usb then yea, tablet would not work, but with tablets usually things are bluetooth connected, so you can run your 3 to 4 usb components, through a port, then add the rest bluetooth
    Bluetooth HD cams
    Its a wifi camera but same idea, and maybe not HD but eh, something Link
    Bluetooth Phoenix MT107A
    Theres about a million different bluetooth car mics. take your pick
    Bluetooth Connection to my DSP
    Isnt this the same as your Mic? if not I dont know
    Bluetooth connection to my piggyback ECU
    Yea, nothing that android can cover as far as this goes
    Bluetooth connection to my second touchscreen
    Nothing yet for this, but wifi-direct display will have a huge impact in sharing screens on android devices in the future
    Bluetooth connection to my JoyCon
    I connect my steering wheel controls to my head unit, and it's pretty cool because the head unit, connected to phone over bluetooth for audio, will control my phone app such as pandora, or music app, not all but some, not perfect but something
    Bluetooth to my touchpad
    I use this, it works great. Link
    Bluetooth to my second camera
    See Wifi Camera above
    Bluetooth mobile stick
    built into the tablet, like so many other wonderful components
    Bluetooth is not very stable, its a horrible effort to change the batteries of the devices
    not all bluetooth devices run solely off of batteries. plus some are rechargable through standard usb port like the touchpad I use. I have had my run ins with bluetooth stabability, so I agree with you on not the most stable.
    optical out
    [Nope screwed there]
    Fusion Brain
    Found this guy earlier, pretty cool. Link
    GPS reception is pretty crappy on a tablet inside a car
    I cannot speak for a tablet completely molded into a dash, but I have had my tablet hi, low, all over my car and never had a problem with gps signal, but I can see how this could be a problem
    HD radio
    Nope, got nothing

    From a windows tablet perspective, technically I feel like it can do everything a standard carpc can do except multiple video out. I am starting to see your issues more and more though. A lot of the components you use with a windows based carpc are USB, so although it can technically do it, that would be a lot of USB ports on a tablet PC. A powered hub, might help out, but I still think it would be a problem. Ugh, I think I'm tired of this haha, we are kind of going in circles. I can already see how you can refute half the things I posted, just as I see ways to refute things you have post. I honestly just posted this so I could get a good summary of the issues with tablets (which I see), and to show others some ways around the issues.

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    Really?
    YA RLY! Look at the picture I posted!

    if you need 14 usb then yea, tablet would not work, but with tablets usually things are bluetooth connected, so you can run your 3 to 4 usb components, through a port, then add the rest bluetooth
    Already said why Bluetooth isnt a good solution or doesnt work at all.

    Its a wifi camera but same idea, and maybe not HD but eh, something Link
    Not only is that thing huge, its also low resolution and doesnt allow the options an USB camera offers.

    Theres about a million different bluetooth car mics. take your pick
    And they all are clunky and need a battery that I need to change/charge all the time. You want me to install another controller just for the phone somewhere? lol... Im already pretty screwed on space...
    Not to mention that the Phoenix system is not a simple mic.

    Isnt this the same as your Mic? if not I dont know
    What? Digital Sound Processor. Audison BitOne in my case.

    Nothing yet for this, but wifi-direct display will have a huge impact in sharing screens on android devices in the future
    I guess if this keeps up everything using wireless, Ill be BBQ'd by radio waves in a matter of seconds, not to mention my high performance car acting up sooner or later.

    I connect my steering wheel controls to my head unit, and it's pretty cool because the head unit, connected to phone over bluetooth for audio, will control my phone app such as pandora, or music app, not all but some, not perfect but something
    My car doesnt have steering wheel controls. Is a generic remote control. With my remote I have better control over my PC than you. Not only can I customize it the way I want, it also switches profiles for other applications/screens.

    I use this, it works great. Link
    I use the exact same thing, as BACKUP or if I want to type faster. My touchpad is integrated directly into the center console, looking pretty much OEM and much easier and safer to use than this keyboard. Not to mention that the touchpad I use has FAR more features and is MUCH more precise. Google for Ergo Touchpad.

    See Wifi Camera above
    Woot, another giant blob thing making my car look like a clown car.

    built into the tablet, like so many other wonderful components
    Already said the reception sucks compared to a proper installed USB stick in the A, B or C-pillar, or actually using an external antenna.

    not all bluetooth devices run solely off of batteries. plus some are rechargable through standard usb port like the touchpad I use. I have had my run ins with bluetooth stabability, so I agree with you on not the most stable.
    Unstable systems are not only annoying as hell, especially when showing it to other people, but also a risk for safety. USB ports are rare on tablets. Most of them cant even charge devices through them and wont support many devices at all. So in any case: No thanks.

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    Sorry for getting so far off topic...

    Quote Originally Posted by Gullimonster View Post
    all the points you mention can be achieved with a double DIN
    True, but costs a lot more
    eg. Kenwood Excelon receiver - $1400
    + Garmin Numaps - $80
    + OBD Link - $100
    + Steering wheel interface - $70
    Doesn't do internet, can't customize interface

    or
    Viewpad 7 - $370
    + Bluetooth OBD - $100
    + IOIO - $50

    Quote Originally Posted by Gullimonster
    10-14 port USB hub
    With a tablet, a lot of the devices you would usually plug into usb are built-in to the tablet, so you don't need as many usb ports

    GPS reception is pretty crappy on a tablet inside a car - My reception is fine
    HD cams - Wifi
    Phoenix MT107A - Bluetooth headset
    mobile stick (yes, I know tablets have that integrated too, but I also know how ****ty the reception of them is, if they are inside the dash or on it) - Built-in, no problems with reception
    Connection to my DSP - Bluetooth Yes
    connection to my piggyback ECU - Bluetooth OBD
    connection to my second touchscreen - Fair enough, but I'd just get a $200 Nook or 2
    connection to my JoyCon - USB to IOIO
    to my touchpad - Built-in touchscreen
    to my second camera - Wifi
    Also I have not seen an optical out on a tablet - Fair enough, but if you're just listening to mp3s or youtube, there's no need for optical out

    Re Bluetooth devices, it's pretty easy to pull the battery and hardwire into the car.
    But it's all going to come down to your own needs, if cameras are your priority, carpc may be worth the effort. Not trying to convince anyone to replace their setup, just trying to correct some of the misinformation.
    Last edited by badmonkey23; 04-10-2012 at 08:16 AM. Reason: correction: IOIO is usb, not bluetooth

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    Quote Originally Posted by badmonkey23 View Post
    Sorry for getting so far off topic...


    True, but costs a lot more
    eg. Kenwood Excelon receiver - $1400
    + Garmin Numaps - $80
    + OBD Link - $100
    + Steering wheel interface - $70
    Doesn't do internet, can't customize interface

    or
    Viewpad 7 - $370
    + Bluetooth OBD - $100
    + IOIO - $50
    + hundreds of dollars to make the install look properly.
    If you like to have a pad somewher ein your interior, and dont care how ****ty it looks, then ok. But For me thats an absolute no.

    With a tablet, a lot of the devices you would usually plug into usb are built-in to the tablet, so you don't need as many usb ports

    GPS reception is pretty crappy on a tablet inside a car - My reception is fine
    Then you havent seen proper reception before. Theres a reason why car manufacturer even add external antennas for that.

    HD cams - Wifi
    far inferior to the USB options, in many different ways. Said it in my previous post.
    Phoenix MT107A - Bluetooth headset
    Going from an handsfree solution to a headset is an option? Not for me.
    Connection to my DSP - Bluetooth Yes
    NO! Theres differences between DSPs, and I need this one!
    connection to my piggyback ECU - Bluetooth OBD
    You dont seem to know what a piggyback ECU is. MAP-ECU3 for example.
    connection to my second touchscreen - Fair enough, but I'd just get a $200 Nook or 2
    Lol, no thanks.
    connection to my JoyCon - Bluetooth to IOIO
    Not possible with the features I need. Already wrote that in a previous post.
    to my second camera - Wifi
    as invalid options as before
    Also I have not seen an optical out on a tablet - Fair enough, but if you're just listening to mp3s or youtube, there's no need for optical out
    Dont tell me what I need or not, especially after your DSP "solution".

    Re Bluetooth devices, it's pretty easy to pull the battery and hardwire into the car.
    But it's all going to come down to your own needs, if cameras are your priority, carpc may be worth the effort. Not trying to convince anyone to replace their setup, just trying to correct some of the misinformation.
    10 to 14.5v directly into a bluetooth device? Sorry, but theres MUCH more work involved, and that makes the "easy" tablet option a joke.
    There is no misinformation.

    All your options sound like a street merchant trying to sell a Fiat as a Ferrari... to a Ferrari owner... Sorry.
    Last edited by Gullimonster; 04-10-2012 at 08:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gullimonster View Post
    + hundreds of dollars to make the install look properly.
    $30, the same fascia I would have had to buy for a double-din or screen, + a broken pc dvd drive
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gullimonster
    Theres differences between DSPs
    I was pretty much pointing out you can bluetooth or audio out to any DSP (unless it's Optical-In only)

    Quote Originally Posted by Gullimonster
    You dont seem to know what a piggyback ECU is. MAP-ECU3 for example.
    Sorry, you're right, I didn't, now I've awared myself, yes, wouldn't do that with Android, that should go on the list of Advanced features you can't do on Android

    Quote Originally Posted by Gullimonster
    There is no misinformation.
    All your options sound like a street merchant trying to sell a Fiat as a Ferrari... to a Ferrari owner... Sorry.
    I'm not trying to sell you anything, or tell you you've made the wrong choice, you've picked the right solution for your requirements. Some of your criticisms are nit-picking and then saying it's not possible because it doesn't do exactly what you want. Everyone has different requirements, Android is unsuitable for what you want, it does all the stuff I want in a carpc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badmonkey23 View Post
    $30, the same fascia I would have had to buy for a double-din or screen, + a broken pc dvd drive
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    Thats pretty rare that its so easy and simple. Also you cant easily remove it that way.

    I was pretty much pointing out you can bluetooth or audio out to any DSP (unless it's Optical-In only)
    Only the Rockford Fosgate 3.sixty DSPs have a bluetooth interface, and that only works with a Palm PDA.
    I am not talking about audio transportation, I am talking about controlling the DSP via USB/Bluetooth.


    I'm not trying to sell you anything, or tell you you've made the wrong choice, you've picked the right solution for your requirements. Some of your criticisms are nit-picking and then saying it's not possible because it doesn't do exactly what you want. Everyone has different requirements, Android is unsuitable for what you want, it does all the stuff I want in a carpc.
    Exactly, everyone has different requirements, and thats why the Car PC is perfect for people who need lots different stuff. My "nit picking" was only to show that there are many different configs, and to show you that the tablet is by far no substitute to a Car PC, if youre talking about people who use a Car PC because of its possibilities, which are most.

    If a tablet is enough for you, a double DIN will be enough too in almost all cases.
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    Wow, this thread is out of control.

    before badmonkey gets you... I have seen his setup on youtube... that thing slides right out. Pretty neat actually. I would have totally made the old cd drive motor do it for you though

    BUT, I think gull is right about rare. I know my car wouldn't allow for something like that easily because my HVAC is built into the bezel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gullimonster View Post
    If a tablet is enough for you, a double DIN will be enough too in almost all cases.
    Statements like this is why I quit this thread.

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