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    Common theme in LCD screens..

    It's sad, but I'm noticing a common theme here after many days of reading. I started my project a couple of months ago and have yet to buy an LCD. First I wanted the Xenarc, but discovered the cables are usually flakey and they are too expensive. Then I discovered dscustoms, but same cable problems and people have trouble getting ahold of the guy and many DOAs, and finally on top of this, he is chronically out of stock until what may turn into October. So I couldn't get one, even if I ordered it. Then I find digital WW, which sells what look to be Lilliput screens, but the prices seem high and nobody actually seems to get their order (even though the website says they are ready to go, first come first serve). On top of this, it would appear the touchscreens are actually just kits and not built-in units for the digital WW. The photos on the website look like the screens are slapped together with electrical tape. Ok, so now I can't find any other options. It's either Digital WW, Dscustoms, or Xenarc direct. Only Xenarc is a commercial-level dealer with a good reputation, units in stock and a service department (but I'll end up paying big $$ for it).

    See the common theme yet? There ISN'T A GOOD SOLUTION. I want a reliable, warranteed, 7" VGA-only screen, preferrably dash-mount for a reasonable price. Apparently this does not exist, and it's sad because my project is starting to stall because of it. I've even considered wireless floating displays because of their apparently quality and size for comparable prices.

    When is the technology going to mature enough to make this a reality? Does anyone have a better alternative?


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    you could get a piece of cloth and put a torch behind it and do finger puppets....

    Thats a cheap alternative.....


    Are the xenarc cable flaky i have read a 100+ posts saying there really good all round monitor may of missed the cable bit......
    On a more serious note if you dont want to spend cash on a screen whats the point in starting the project in the first place.... i for one worked out how much it was going to cost approx before i started.


    And its not going to get cheaper until these screens increase in demand.....simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectrumzz
    The photos on the website look like the screens are slapped together with electrical tape. Ok, so now I can't find any other options. It's either Digital WW, Dscustoms, or Xenarc direct. Only Xenarc is a commercial-level dealer with a good reputation, units in stock and a service department (but I'll end up paying big $$ for it).
    I bought my screen directly from xenarc a year ago and I was suprised when I opened the case and things (wires etc) where attached by scotch tape, not electrical, to other boards. Besides I had to send my back beacuse it had dead pixels and had it exchange. I guess it just comes down to service. And the screens have come down in price, I remember when they where in the 560 ball park for a screen w/ touch.
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    Couple of questions for you:

    Prices are high compared to what?
    Where did you get that nobody is getting their orders?
    Which photos look like the screens are slapped together with electrical tape?

    All touch screens start off as kits and what is wrong with that?

    Xenarc does exactly what we do except with more money.

    Some how you made everything look so bad and unattractive. I am just not sure why there are so many satisfied customers

    Quote Originally Posted by spectrumzz
    Then I find digital WW, which sells what look to be Lilliput screens, but the prices seem high and nobody actually seems to get their order (even though the website says they are ready to go, first come first serve). On top of this, it would appear the touchscreens are actually just kits and not built-in units for the digital WW. The photos on the website look like the screens are slapped together with electrical tape.

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    Confused

    I don't think I see "slapped together" on the website pics but there was a comment here about "I was suprised when I opened the case and things (wires etc) where attached by scotch tape".

    I have seen a theme of "When is it coming" as well in the posts lately.

    I have difficulty in getting a real good comparison between brands because the model numbers are slightly different between companies. I would order from the local here if I could get a real good fix on how and why they are really that good for less. There are no local stores I've found in the Bay Area to see what I am getting.

    Expense is not an issue or I wouldn't be doing this in the first place. However I do think a solid touch screen, with a nice removeable shade to keep the light out, should be $350 tops. If the light takes away the screen image then why don't they make a Shade? Can't be that difficult.

    Just want to be cautious as I need a touch screen, GPS, and inverter to complete the package.

    Not to be too negative, I have heard some good comments but I do see the point made here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spectrumzz
    It's sad, but I'm noticing a common theme here after many days of reading. I started my project a couple of months ago and have yet to buy an LCD. First I wanted the Xenarc, but discovered the cables are usually flakey and they are too expensive. Then I discovered dscustoms, but same cable problems and people have trouble getting ahold of the guy and many DOAs, and finally on top of this, he is chronically out of stock until what may turn into October. So I couldn't get one, even if I ordered it. Then I find digital WW, which sells what look to be Lilliput screens, but the prices seem high and nobody actually seems to get their order (even though the website says they are ready to go, first come first serve). On top of this, it would appear the touchscreens are actually just kits and not built-in units for the digital WW. The photos on the website look like the screens are slapped together with electrical tape. Ok, so now I can't find any other options. It's either Digital WW, Dscustoms, or Xenarc direct. Only Xenarc is a commercial-level dealer with a good reputation, units in stock and a service department (but I'll end up paying big $$ for it).

    See the common theme yet? There ISN'T A GOOD SOLUTION. I want a reliable, warranteed, 7" VGA-only screen, preferrably dash-mount for a reasonable price. Apparently this does not exist, and it's sad because my project is starting to stall because of it. I've even considered wireless floating displays because of their apparently quality and size for comparable prices.

    When is the technology going to mature enough to make this a reality? Does anyone have a better alternative?


    wow...idiotic post if you ask me

    I have had nothing but good luck with both Armen (digitalww) and Dave (dscustoms) when I was looking to order a screen. I ended up getting a DSCustoms 7" touch and when I wanted another cable Dave sent me one for something like $15 or something like that right away.

    Cable flakey? Well duh if you are a moron and pull it out of the socket, it's just like anything else, be careful and you are fine.

    I think that BOTH Armen and Dave have a good rep when it comes to their products and I for one will be ordering cameras from Armen soon most likely and won't even hesitate when ordering from him.

    If you have "read" the board you will realize that out of all of the people that ordered something only a select few have had issues, and for the most part those issues were dealt with quickly.

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    Recently, I have seen a lot of people talking about "real" touchscreen LCD's versus "touchscreen kit" LCD's.. This bugs the hell out of me.

    THEY ARE THE SAME!

    There are very few LCD panels made anymore that have glass fronts. Introducing the problem of putting a piece of glass into the panel enclosure itself is expensive and requires two different designs to accomidate the same LCD without the glass.

    All commercial touchscreens that I have ever seen have a seperate resistive or capacitive film on a piece of glass that sits in front of the LCD (even palmtops and whatnot) There really is no such thing as an LCD with "built-in" touchscreen, unless you want to count that the touch panel and controller for it have been put into the casing by the manufacturer instead of someone else.

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    Yeah, I have to side with the gang on this one -
    SHUT UP AND STOP WHINEING !

    Yes, some people will get doa's - it happens, such is life - The suppliers deal with it quickly and fairly.

    I know we all live in the cute little digital fantasy wonderland where everything happens instantly, but in reality issues take time to resolve. Your telling me you never went to the store for something, and found it was out of stock!?

    As for the quality and the prices - where the hell have you been - a vga touch for under 500.00 usd is still unheard of - I found them being sold for up to 600.00 (same exact unit)
    You open the case and find tape holding boards to boards - Guess what, I have a 4,000.00 Panasonic 250 Digital VCR on my desk with 4 wires held in place with foam tape. LOTS OF MANUFACTURERS DO IT. You really care if its screwed down ? damn! shell out another 25 bucks and you can have a larger case with all the components mounted to something...

    You make it sound as if we are on the bleading edge, and everything is a failing experiment.

    Guess what - ITS ALL EXPERIMENTAL. if you do your homework , and use your brain, and spend the $$ you get a solid working product, but if you half *** it and cut corners - you deal!. You want something solid and tested with a good house keeping seal of approval - go spend 2,649.00 for an alpine and another 500 on an Ipod. wow im angry....
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    I'm going to stand up for digitalww here. I received one of thier monitors and it appeared not to work. I tried it on several different power supplies and nothing. I contacted him and so i ended up sending it back. It in the end was my fault a bit because i didn't want to throw too many ampers through the screen but it did not have the correct specs on the spec sheet. It was not digitalww's fault at all about that. After i figured that out it was perfect. It did not look like it was thrown together at all. all in all digitalww imho is a great place to deal with, cheaper than the other places that offer similar products too.

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    Having bought screens from both Dave & Armen, I can vouch for the fact that although they are small operations, the service from both is fantastic.

    If you're unsure about the quality of a supplier to whom you're about to send a chunk of your hard earned cash, take the time to send them an email to ask some questions. If they are serious/interested in their little business, then they'll get back to you. Bear in mind that they are little businesses - they don't have an army of email-bots sitting there waiting to hear from you.

    One of the things that royally p155es me off is the fact that people launch their "I ordered via email 3 minutes ago and Armen/Dave hasn't called me yet" threads, simply because both suppliers post here.

    Take a pill people, and take your troubles to the vendor - not only does your impatience give the impression of poor customer service (which is wholly undeserved), but it means we have to endure pointless threads like this one.

    God I hope someone locks this thread. Deletion would be even better.
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