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    Post Sharp 7" 16:9 widescreen update and help request

    For those of you not familiar with this much talked about screen, it is actually part of a unit manufactured by Redant and sold on Lik-sang.com for $199 USD.

    The model number of the screen is: LQ070T5BG01

    D2 (THANK YOU!) pointed me to the spec sheet of a VERY similar screen: http://www.esskabel.de/Datenblaetter...Q070T5CRQ1.pdf

    I am making the ASSUMPTION these have the same 28-pin interface since they are very simillar in so many respects. I have yet to pull out the silly-scope to verify this.

    (Note: make sure you use the "shrink oversized" and "auto-rotate" options when printing. Also, the pages are out of order, so make sure to sort them before binding/stapling.)

    The explination and diagrams on pages 5 and 6 respectively should answer mikeszl's question in his recent post: redant 7 inch widescreen from liksang? My goal is to get the screen working in cinema mode and scaling/cropping video in software (or by using the Back End Scalar found in the Matrox G400/450 video card) where necessary. More on this and the Linux based framebuffer (NOT X11) software I am working on if anyone's interested.

    Not too long ago I mentioned my intention of attempting to figure out whether or not you could use this screen w/a video card instead of a composite NTSC signal. I think all the information needed to answer that question can be found in the above document, but I am such a neophyte when it comes to electronics and video timings (I'm a software guy) I just can't answer this on my own. I was hoping someone out there (D2?, anyone?) could help by thouroughly going over the above doc and seeing if this is feasable. Specifically, can the R, G, B, HSYNC, and VSYNC signals from a standard video card be used to drive this screen (using a custom timing for the 480x234 resolution)? Most of the pertinent information about inputs, electrical characteristics, and timings can be found on pages 3, 4, 8, and 9. Also, if someone could elaborate on the differences between part 1 and part 3 of section 7-3 "Display Time Range", NTSC(M) mode and external timing mode (what does that mean?), maybe it can bring us one step closer to the answers we are looking for.

    Thanks in advance.

    Morgan

    P.S. As I have posted before, there are detailed pics of the unit from when I disassembled it in the redant album at http://photos.yahoo.com/laxrox

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    Laxrox, are the mods, modw, and modn easily modified? are there dip switches easily accesable? are there dip switches accessable if you take the case appart? do you even now where these things are so that they can be modified high or low. ime sorry if this is answered in the data sheet. I dont have a printer and my eyes hurt from reading it off the screen. also do you know what mode the redant sets the screen in if it is not adjustable? probably wide 1 mode but it would be really nice if they came cinima mode.
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    Mike,

    The only thing I have really hooked up to the screen beside my computer (using the NTSC out on the G400) has been my Dreamcast. If you look at the Dreamcast logo and Sonic Adventure pics in the album, you will see examples of what I believe is cinema mode and normal mode, respectively (The cinema mode could be wide 1 or even full mode, I can't really tell). I think the base PCB is looking for the 16:9 WSS (Widescreen Signaling) in the NTSC signal and adjusting modes dymanically. If I am forced to use a NTSC signal, I would just hardware cinema mode or maybe even place some jumpers/switches on the adapter. Currently, I have found no way of adjusting this manually on Redant's base PCB, nor do I think they provide a way.

    Morgan

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    [ 11-29-2001: Message edited by: laxrox ]

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    (I wrote this before your 7:23PM post so some stuff may be irrelevant)
    laxrox, I think you should check the LCD pins for signals like you said. The LQ070T5CRQ1 has a lot of nice features that I am not sure would be in the Redant unit. Your pics of the unit show an NTSC decoder daughter board, but the 'CRQ1 has a decoder built in. That and the wide-mode switching or external separate H & V sync may be missing. Check it out. If the 'BGO1 has the H & V sync in then it would be easier to connect to a VGA output. Most all video type of LCD's are fixed-frequency displays and require "NTSC" or "PAL" timings to operate whether using composite or RGB signals. A VGA adaptor would need to be able to put out 640H x 480V x 30Hz Interlaced in order to display on these LCD's. The displays 1440H x 234V dot resolution has nothing to do with the required video signal format, the 1440 is 480 each of R, G, & B pixels across, and the 234 means that each video field of 240 lines (NTSC) is displayed on the same pixel row minus some lines that they throw away. Okay I'm rambling, but the display may still do you good, you just need to get it the RGB & Sy in some form or another. Oh-yeh, that part 3 of section 7-3 stuff is about the specs of an external clock that the 'CRQ1 need if you are giving the display external H & V sync. That would be a bother but not impossible, first find out if the Redant unit has this function by tracing the circuits and scoping it out. The Sony XTL-770W display on the stupid web-page is a similar Sharp display with the wide screen mode-change features, some modes would be useless for PC desktop display as they would cut-off some of the image but a DVD or VCR video image with letterboxing built in can be stretched to fill the screen and look "good". I wouldn't mind a stretched PC desktop in any case as most everything looks "good" stretched out, kind of like "the future". ;-)
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    bump and question...
    Could this be modified to accept S-Video input easily?? Since S-Video is better than composite ( no color bleeding). It seems to have input for Svideo or am I worng?
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    The Redant module does NOT have S-video inputs. I still have not had a chance to scope out the pins on the LCD to see what it accepts. When I finally do get a chance, I will be sure to post a message with all the information I learned.

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    If we used a composite(RCA) to s-video adaptor, would be have the better quality of S-Video?
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    The short answer is no. Simple S-Vid to Comp Vid or Comp Vid to S-Vid adaptors are only meant to provide a way to get a signal in or out of a box if you do not have the proper connection on the other box or the proper interconnect cable.
    The adapters use filters to separate or combine the Luminance & Chrominance signals for the S-Vid connection. S-Vid looks better than Composite Vid, but if the signal started out as Composite Video, it will always look like Composite Video of worse.
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