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    Quote Originally Posted by tom2112
    The biggest CON to linux is that you've likely got this pile of Windows software that is now useless.
    you don't have to wine about it.

    (i get the biggest kicks out of the lamest jokes i can think of)
    don't worry i know i usually don't make much sense

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    Quote Originally Posted by sagekoala
    you don't have to wine about it.

    (i get the biggest kicks out of the lamest jokes i can think of)


    And yea I wouldn't recommend it to a newbie carPC user either. Linux takes a while to master and to be comfortable in your car I would recommend sticking with a Windows base OS. Or be like me and dual boot so you can get experimental later
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dj_Aleks
    maybe, but seriously, iīd prefer a 5-6sec boot time for the cost of navivoice...i just donīt see the need of that app anyway...
    Linux owns, no question about that! BUT, windows is more mainstream and therefore developers, coders etc etc spend more time developing apps for win, but the trick is that linux is able to do EVERYTHING that windows does and a lot more to it, and if it doesnīt have support, you can ALWAYS write one without having to wait 1 year for M$ to write a hotfix that probably makes more trouble than good...
    I don't know about the 5-6 second boot time. I've had two distributions on my linux machine, and both took well over 2 minutes to boot!
    And this is a PIII I'm talking about here!

    Also, NaviVoice is free for now... and it is useful

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0l33l
    I've had two distributions on my linux machine, and both took well over 2 minutes to boot! And this is a PIII I'm talking about here!
    Just because you don't know how to administer a system doesn't mean you should disparage it. A monkey with a gun might shoot himself as easily as somebody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubicon
    Just because you don't know how to administer a system doesn't mean you should disparage it. A monkey with a gun might shoot himself as easily as somebody else.
    And this was without even configureing anything. Basically out of the box. And I have an 80gb WD 8meg cache drive in there, so you can't blame the HD speed for that

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    I am using Geexbox (www.geexbox.org) for my carputer, it boots in around 10-15 seconds.

    It is a stripped down kernel that runs Mplayer as the interface, all it does is play or view any type of media, if you want GPS or anything else it won't do it.
    Only prob I have had so far is that it doesn't have mouse support which means no touchscreen.

    It is also only a 6.5Mb download and only needs a 8Mb partition to run off

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    I think a lot of you people don't realize that there are power in numbers.

    MS Windows software is fairly easy to make because most everything has been done before. This is not true with linux. Most everything has been attempted, but never really finished. Don't get me wrong, a lot of stuff has, but for every decent working project, there are 3 that have been abandonned.

    A lot of developers have their own view on things. If us developers value our time and effert, we could put something together for the linux users out there. The problem is, most of the software that is written for windows is done in a way that is almost not portable. Use of OCX files and VB aren't native linux friendly. If i wanted, I bet I could get centrafuse or frodoplayer working one way or another. Instead, I am writing a cross platform frontend that will be the way that I want it made. No X server. Just the good ol' framebuffer and SDL.

    That is another issue: dependancy hell. My local linux user's group just had a support problem in the mailing list on how to get gstreamer installed (kind of tricky when dependancies depend on themselves, no way to get the proper order). You might just say, well why don't you just compile it? The linux user is _not_ a programmer, just an average joe geography major.

    This is why linux is hard to support. Personally, I have been using linux from scratch for over 2 years. I can't even tell you how to use rpm's correctly anymore. Haven't even used an RPM based distro in the last 6 years. Support is best found in forums for your distro - for instance, I know the gentoo forums are an excellent resource for gentoo users and people who just compile new software.

    But back to the point. The learning curve is as hard as you make it. You have to realize you DON'T have Microsoft Office, WinAMP5, Frodoplayer, Destinator, Centrafuse, and voice software. Don't listen to the people who say "well, just make one." It isn't that easy. Not everyone is a programmer.

    Linux is not meant for everyone, but neither is Windows. Windows wasn't meant for me. I am forced to use it sometimes, but that is because it was made for the masses. I think if the people who want to try it out for their car, should wait for a few months. I am sure someone, maybe even me, will have created a live-cd that would be perfect for them. I don't see how it would be any different then frodoplayer, or centrafuse, or whatever, the users will be there, some will like it, some will hate it. Then there are the BSD people that will just hate it on principal alone, being a linux-based distro and all.

    All and all, just give it time...

    my $.05

    steve

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    Quote Originally Posted by fathead
    I am using Geexbox (www.geexbox.org) for my carputer, it boots in around 10-15 seconds.
    Is the 10-15 seconds with the POST or without?

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    Well like i said before, im creating my own distro for the carpc compiled specifically for the motherboard (EPIA MS). Im gonna play with the kernel and disable features i dont need, and keep only those i do. I am going to create my own INIT boot script, im doing all of this because I am determined to get a fast boot time.
    About this 2 minute boot time, thats not uncommon for an improperly configured system especially from an "out of the box" distro, they are way bloated with crap you'll never use.

    Oh superbowl...what do you mean when you say "- Linux is free
    (But.. in most cases youīll buy a distribution, so itīs not completely free)"
    every linux distro i have ever heard of is free, now you can buy the boxed up version of the distro and recieve a year of support and a nice manual, which some may like. but you dont HAVE to
    I had a perfect quote to go here,
    but hell only knows what I did with it....

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    did u guys read my thread on fast boot times on linux
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