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    Quote Originally Posted by linuxguy
    Oh superbowl...what do you mean when you say "- Linux is free
    (But.. in most cases you´ll buy a distribution, so it´s not completely free)"
    every linux distro i have ever heard of is free, now you can buy the boxed up version of the distro and recieve a year of support and a nice manual, which some may like. but you dont HAVE to
    Last time I checked... SuSe doesn't like people downloading their distro... but I checked like 2 years ago.

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    well, I think I'm kinda getting the msg here, kinda reminds me of the love/hate relationship of DOS, I think I'll say "plug & play" over & over to myself tonight to put myself to sleep, & leave linux for the ultra geeks among us...........

    now if I could afford my own programmer, & have them build & debug a system for me that does whatever I needed to do, THEN I could see myself having linux in my car, but I don't see that happening any time soon...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by turbocad6
    now if I could afford my own programmer, & have them build & debug a system for me
    Arouse the right open-source developer's curiousity, and you won't have to pay for it. You may not get exactly what you want, but [part of] the beauty of open-source is that anybody with the know-how can pick up the code wherever somebody else has left it, and continue development/make changes.

    Or just play it safe & stick with Windoze. Its not the end of the world if some turbo nerds look down their noses at the plebeians - I do it all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0l33l
    I don't know about the 5-6 second boot time. I've had two distributions on my linux machine, and both took well over 2 minutes to boot!
    And this is a PIII I'm talking about here!

    Also, NaviVoice is free for now... and it is useful
    let me draw a parallel...my car system is windows Xp Pro out of the box...without ANY changes that differ from the normal install i got boot times close to those you are talking about...now, AFTER a lot of tweaking i got a boot time of around 35-45 secs until i hear music...see the relevance to your problem with linux, if u cant ADMNINISTRATE your system, it ends up in plain c*ap! another issue is that my install is still like 500Mb...now, if i had used linux i could have gotten sizes of maybe 10-15 megs (ULTRALITE!!!) but then i´d loose some options, but a stable install with all software needed shouldn´t take up more than say 50 megs?

    Sure, NaviVoice is useful, but a fast, stable, never-chrashing, totally tweakable, customizable and GREAT system is more valuable then a listening computer

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    I think that people are missing the point about linux. It isn't the boot times or the software. Linux is what you wnat it to be. I have been using linux since my senior year in high school. I started with red hat on a Pentium 200. The learning curve is steep, but once you get the basics of linux down, it can be learned pretty easily.

    Linux is there for you to change as you see fit. It can be as stable as you want it to be. You have complete control over the system. If a piece of software or the kernel isn't working the way you want it, change it and recompile it. You only have to install what you want, only use the services that you want.

    I have had many many linux based systems now. I have built 3 car computers with it. My desktop runs Linux. I have a home server that runs linux and a server at work that also runs linux. This year we put in a pbx telephone server running astrisk at work that handles all incoming calls aswell as voice mail.

    That is the ultimate pro of linux - its flexability.

    ps - as for the boot time in a car, I have a gigapro cpu with 256 ram, I can boot to music in around 20 - 25 seconds. I am sure I could do a little bit more tweaking, but as i am a senior in college I have no time.
    This post college life is a real drag

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    Quote Originally Posted by linuxguy
    Oh superbowl...what do you mean when you say "- Linux is free
    (But.. in most cases you´ll buy a distribution, so it´s not completely free)"
    Try to download a complete suse for free - its not possible.
    And sure some users have to pay for the internet access.. and downloading 3 gigs is not really cheap and takes a lot of time.

    Ever thought about the time you spend searching for the "holy" distribution, the download, burn cd, create a bootdisk ?

    - superbowl


    PS: i still use linux.. but server only ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dj_Aleks
    Sure, NaviVoice is useful, but a fast, stable, never-chrashing, totally tweakable, customizable and GREAT system is more valuable then a listening computer
    XP hasn't crashed on me in a while. CAn't say the same things about my two tires with linux

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    My server hasn't crashed in 2 years except for power outages. Desktop hasn't been restarted since I moved into my room at school. Car PC still stable after a year and a half. Still waiting for a virus/spyware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by superbowl
    Try to download a complete suse for free - its not possible.
    What defines a "complete" distro?

    If you're talking about a printed manual and support, no, you're not going to get those off of an FTP server. But the OS and major apps? Sure; maybe not in the distro itself, but with half a brain one can find & install them.

    downloading 3 gigs is not really cheap and takes a lot of time
    Yes, that can take time, depending on the bandwidth available. But "not really cheap?" What does that even mean? Do you pay for your internet access by the minute/kilobyte? If so, I feel sorry for you, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0l33l
    XP hasn't crashed on me in a while. CAn't say the same things about my two tires with linux
    Only a matter of time.

    As for your linux "crashing" experience, please see my post re: lack of administration knowledge.

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