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    Question Cool stuff! What about Touch Screen driver and Navigation software for Mac?

    I've installed sooo many versions of Windoze and Linux it would be great to have OS/X in my car.

    But so far I haven't even found a touch screen driver for MacOS/X, and I consider touch screen input critical for any car PC. Does this exist? Is
    there a "touchpad" version of OS/X like Windows has? How well does it
    work?

    And what about navigation software/maps for Mac OS/X? The only thing
    I could find with some surfing was Route 66 USA/Europe. But it looks about
    as sophisticated as the software that I had with my first laptop/GPS (I
    think it was a Garmin GPS-heavy handheld unit) about 8 years ago.

    Am I just not good at finding Mac software, or is there a lot more that needs
    to be put in place for proper Mac Mini carputers than a cool front end?

    Cheers,

    Bruce

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boston6MT
    I've installed sooo many versions of Windoze and Linux it would be great to have OS/X in my car.

    But so far I haven't even found a touch screen driver for MacOS/X, and I consider touch screen input critical for any car PC. Does this exist? Is
    there a "touchpad" version of OS/X like Windows has? How well does it
    work?

    And what about navigation software/maps for Mac OS/X? The only thing
    I could find with some surfing was Route 66 USA/Europe. But it looks about
    as sophisticated as the software that I had with my first laptop/GPS (I
    think it was a Garmin GPS-heavy handheld unit) about 8 years ago.

    Am I just not good at finding Mac software, or is there a lot more that needs
    to be put in place for proper Mac Mini carputers than a cool front end?

    Cheers,

    Bruce
    While there is a lot more than frontends to do, its not that bad. There are touchscreen drivers for mac. If you buy a lilliput or zenarc they come on the cd. My mac mini did not need drivers for TS, and it works flawlessly. Check out the other threads in the mac forum... there is much hope for nav software for OSX this year. Mac GPS and Route 66 are all there is for now, and they are not very good.
    It is the work of this fine person and others that are making the mac more and more suitable for carputer use. I applaud and thank him.
    Carputer status: [-*---------]
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    Also, several users have reported that using Virtual PC and the PC nav programs works fine on the Mini. Not an ideal solution...after all, you want to install a Mac, not emulate a PC. But let's face it, GPS on the PC is more advanced and if you gotta have it, you can get it until something decent that is native Mac appears.
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    I was gung ho on building a PC [until] just recently. However, between my new phone having internet and GPS and all...and this kit...Im starting to have trouble justfiying it haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shizzle
    It is the work of this fine person and others that are making the mac more and more suitable for carputer use. I applaud and thank him.

    Well I am quite flattered to hear that, but this is simply a project that is guided purely by those that have entered into this hobby full force but have been disappointed with what is currently out there.

    Bruce - I am well aware of the current situation facing software gps or it would probably be best to say lack there of. For now I want to focus on the things that matter most for me, such as music, videos, and photos. Once I have those completed and stable then I will start building on my existing framework.

    I have not yet been spoiled by a gps system so I don’t know really have an attachment to it, but I do realize it will probably be the deciding factor for most when they set out to buy a carputer. There also seems to be rumors circulating this forum about software makers porting their products into os x. This is by far great news for the navigation aspect, but one thing still plagues me is whether or not I would be able to tightly integrate it into my software. If worst comes to worst I will either have to write it from scratch, which would probably be the most time consuming and error prone method as well as an incredible learning experience, or port it from another gpl licensed project.

    At the moment I have not been doing my research into what is out there, but if anyone has any links for navigation software that is open source regardless of operating system please post it here so that I can refer back to it when the time comes.

    Sdashiki – “phidgets and various other analog thing” will come in due time. I am sure that once I have this project rolling and useable I will find a niche for my own bank of hardware necessities.

    ODBII would be a concrete sell for an open source project such as this, but that is something that I will need to spend a fair amount of time researching before I write a single line of code. But yes that both of these will always be on the back burner, simply for the fact of “Being able to see the workings of your car.” not only interests me beyond belief, but I want to see what else I can make it do.
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    Thanks for the replies,...

    And thanks for not taking my original request as flame-bait.

    (I just re-read it and really didn't intend it to be so harsh.)

    Anyway, I too am glad to see progress in all areas here. But
    I guess GPS Nav is the key area I want (Movies are nice for
    car shows, but my 92" front projector + 6.1 stereo 2000+ AMP
    (including 2 subwoofers & 3 bass shakers) audio system at home
    so completely blow away movies in a car I consider that more
    of a cool demo item than a necessity). And I already have
    4.2 GB easily changeable MP3 access on my OEM CD
    changer, though a prettier interface and more feature rich
    playlist setup (in addition to more space) would be nice.

    I'm glad to hear touchscreen works well with Mac Mini...so I
    guess if I beefed the mini up for wireless/bluetooth, used a
    touchscreen,... I could pretty easily get a basic carputer
    going. If I can't live with route 66 and don't see really good
    Mac Nav software soon enough on the horizon, maybe the
    Mac Mini will then migrate back into the house and I'll buy
    a VIA "Luke" micro - ATX system that should be smaller
    than Mac Mini and run the better Nav software once those
    start to come out.

    BTW, as far as gpl Nav software, there is some on
    sourceforge.net called "RoadMap" that runs on PDAs
    and Linux/X11 so should be portable to OS/X without
    too much trouble and is free. Unfortunately, US census
    data doesn't have information on one way streets and is
    often inaccurate. This could probably be converted to
    a really cool OpenGL 3D viewer, but will not be a good
    point-to-point route generator without someone getting
    better map data for it. Hmmm... use google or mapquest
    through wireless link while parked in garage for point-to-point
    directions, then use that in conjunction with Census data?


    Although, that said, the Clarion N.I.C.E. does Nav *and*
    MP3 *and* satellite ... if it had OBDII display as well, I'd
    probably opt for that instead of any kind of carputer (is
    everyone else here drawn irrationally to the concept of
    a carputer because of Kit from "Night Rider"? Need that
    sexy female voice as an option to the front end!)

    Cheers,

    Bruce

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    This is a bit of a threadjack, but why does Boston6MT only have 1 post, when there are 2 on this thread? I thought that only happens with offtopic posts... oh well.
    Carputer status: [-*---------]
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    BenjaminS,

    I was just curious if you plan on using the DVDPlayback.Framework for your DVD playback functionality and if yes have you played with this yet? I am in the process of trying to get it to work and have found it quite challenging. About the only documentation I have been able to find is in the header file and there is very little about it on the web.

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    rgreen103,

    Yes i will most likely be using the DVDPlayback.framework for the dvd portion of this project. I haven't mucked around with it yet but I did read the header file, seems pretty clear to me, but i haven't tried to implement it so i am not aware of all the "fun" caveats surrounding that framework.

    I don't have any immediate plans to implement this, but it will eventually get done. Have you tried the Apple mailing lists for your research?

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