I agree with you! In my posts I didnt mean cr@p, but crippled! Thats a much better word.Quote:
Originally Posted by justchat_1
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I agree with you! In my posts I didnt mean cr@p, but crippled! Thats a much better word.Quote:
Originally Posted by justchat_1
One of the biggest reasons is the same reason people who know nothing about computers continue to buy Windows. The software selection is better. Plus the interface is a jewel. That's nothing to sneeze at.Quote:
Originally Posted by justchat_1
Also, when I bought mine, I didn't look at the software really.
Nothing on the market could beat it on two very important counts:
1. Browsing the web was unbelievable, easy to move around, pinch to zoom in/out, etc. Browsing on any other device with a comparable screen was cumbersome and very annoying, when not downright ugly and unreadable.
2. The visual voice mail thing was so clever, it was worth it all by itself. Press "2" to repeat, "7" to delete, "9" to mark as read...WTF? I commend Apple for innovations like these.
No, people who are intimidated by technology buy Macs... with an extended warrantee :tape2:
The iPhone's popularity is mostly due to the apps, but the OS and hardware are the reason for that plus the capability to utilize it. The early adopters find the best platform and dig in if it can perform what's required. Obviously it can, even without jailbreaking. I can't say anything about the iPad, but the iPhone will continue to dominate for a long time. Majority always rules like it or not.
But that whole point of needing to jailbreak it (or any hack for that matter) shows where it needs improvement and failed the consumer, and that the market could have been larger if that limitation weren't there. That's the ridiculous part of it.
So, at least in my experience, people who are intimidated by technology don't know anything about it, therefore they think that windows is the only computer there. Actually Dell. If you ask someone who doesn't know any better what kind of computer they want, a lot of the time they didn't even know there was an alternative. To them, apple makes ipods.
the iphone was dramatically popular before any apps. Remember the lines? That was all on the 1st gen, which didin't have apps. But very true, it will stay on top weather its the best device or not simply because its the majority.
You don't need to jailbreak it. The majority of users are amazed by it as it. People like us jailbreak it get things that apple didn't think you needed. And normal people like that apple is controlling them, its techny people that are like 'WHOA, stay out of my device"
And yet visual voicemail was invented WAY before apple pushed it....they didn't invent any of it-just borrowed. Web browsing when the iphone was released was innovative but now every multi-touch device can do that...so why would those be considered features that sets an ipad apart?!?! (and i know that wasn't what you were saying...just jumping back to my original question)Quote:
Originally Posted by RipplingHurst
When the 1st gen ipod was released it had no competition. There was an entire generation (3rd or 4th if i remember right) that were defective from the factory but since that was the only option people had to choose it.Quote:
Originally Posted by optikalefx
Normal people like being told "the device could do this but we think your too stupid to use it so we disabled it"???? Wow the brainwashing does work...
Do you not see the huge difference between "what apple thinks you need" and "what a consumer wants"? The latter should be effecting their design decisions and yet through great marketing they advertise all the devices flaws as "features".
Exactly! Only point i'll disagree on is that even apple has realized the iphone will not dominate much longer. They're losing market share to android phones faster every day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Curiosity
Hmm, true. The Apple fanbois got them first. Then the price dropped for the rest. LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by optikalefx
And also true, people fear what they don't understand and that can be said for anything and should be judged by the percentages and not the overall just to level the playing field. But where the gazillions of hardware and software developers on the PC are concerned, they aren't clueless. I don't look too much at the simple user side to gauge how computer savvy all people are but rather by how well it's accepted and the products that result from the creativity of those who develop for it. The resulting acceptance shows that the PC and iPhone beat the rest. It's not a biased opinion, I'm just stating the obvious. I don't even like the iPhone.
Doesn't matter who invents it first. Ask Tim Berniers-Lee who invented hyperlinks and browsers and who made money on Netscape. Ask Xerox Parc who invented the Gui and who made money on it. Ask Robert Metcalfe who invented ethernet and who made money from it. While you're at it, ask Bill Gates who invented DOS and who made money off of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by justchat_1
Apple isn't in the business of inventing new stuff. They've made their niche at perfecting old stuff. The guys in the R&D lab at 1 Infinite Loop probably giggle about this over lunch every day.
Bzzzzt! Wrong. iRiver was the leading mp3 player device out there when the iPod came out. By the time the 3G and 4G players were out, Microsoft was Zuning away with arguably a better product with more features, storage and equivalent pricing. Apple ran away with the category even though the iPod was more expensive and held less songs.Quote:
When the 1st gen ipod was released it had no competition. There was an entire generation (3rd or 4th if i remember right) that were defective from the factory but since that was the only option people had to choose it.
The iPhone was a newcomer among existing, established, heavily entrenched smart phones offered by network providers with subsidies. Giants in the industry. I wish I could find the quote from the Motorola CEO who taunted Jobs when he said he would sell 10 million iPhones in the first year. That was 30 million iPhones ago. Again, Apple ran away with the category.
The Macintosh by all rights should be dead. It has less software, a closed operating system, and no clones. It is growing in popularity.
Frankly, attributing these successes to stupid consumers is, well...stupid. If Apple sold 100,000 computers a year I'd agree, but they don't. They sell millions.
I think that you have substituted your own product preferences for those of regular mass market consumers. These are two completely different markets. And Apple only builds for the mass market, not you.
That means they actually purposefully LIMIT your choices to make it simpler to use. The average consumer either never notices or if he/she does, only bumps into these limits from time to time. Most of the time, the devices function as designed, do what they say, and cause little trouble when doing it. That's what people are paying for and when you think of it that way, sure, it's a velvet prison but for most people it's the matrix. They don't even realize they are inside it.
Love it.Quote:
but for most people it's the matrix. They don't even realize they are inside it.
Justchat_1 asks what sets the iPad apart. One thing is that I've been seing people everywhere reading on iPhones and reading on Kindle like devices (like the Sony reader, Kindle itself, other e-ink devices). I've seen just today the Sony device. Very nice, and cool, but at $299.00...I'd like more, like web browsing and the ability to read magazines, you know, with pictures and stuff, along side books and .pdfs as well. The Sony thing does not even look that thin, as the iPad looks. So I can see people subscribing magazines to read on the iPad. Why lug around a 1Lb Vogue, when you can browse the magazine on the iPad, and check the e-mail once in a while? Then you got an email with a video attached...you can play that, on a big screen, etc.
You'll say you can read Vogue, Top Gear Mag, Pop. Mechanics on the iTouch, but I say it's not the same thing. And people pay for an improved experience, even if it's the same thing (see 3D movies).