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    Okay, I just managed to jailbreak my 3G with the 3.1.3 (latest) firmware. Used redsnow 0.9.4. Now I'm going to try and see if I can tether it to my Tablet via Bluetooth. Any car apps I should now about that I now can install via Cydia?



    Oh yeah, iPhone reports 3.1.3, I'm syncing with iTunes right now. You just have to backup everything, lauch redsnow, put the phone in DFU mode, point to an old 3.1.2 firmware, wait, and reboot, resync with itunes. Long process, but doable. Can't wait to see what I can do with it, it's like I have a new toy now. :-)



    Still, I agree, Apple sucks and all that.

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    The Ipad can't touch the Notion Ink adam with better battery life, 3 USB ports, HDMI out, and 1080p. All for less

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    Quote Originally Posted by blk02si View Post
    So what happens when you want to push your amps with line level front, rear and sub preouts? Oh wait, that's right, this pad really isn't a good choice if you are serious about car audio.

    I think people tend to forget what makes a product suitable for an automotive environment. I mean any elementary school child can suction cup an ipad to the windshield, and mini-plug it into a factory system and viola! a "carpad". This is great I suppose for entry level enthusiasts, but for the inclined, they know exactly what hardware can be had for the same cost that literally destroys any chance the ipad will/did ever have.

    Also, there is a reason it's called "JAIL-BREAKING" For those who have never actually analyzed or comprehended that term, it means to illegally bust someone out of prison. Fairly accurate description if you ask me.
    It doesn't seem like rocket science for some developer to make a wireless audio control center that attached to your current audio setup and have control from an app. These kinds of apps don't seem like they would be rejected by Apple.

    I injected my thoughts in bold with this post below...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bugbyte View Post
    Good point, but I think what others are pointing out is that there are other solutions that are even cheaper than the iPad and provide more functionality. They're right. Please, point them out for me because I researched this before and everything I've seen either looks like it came from 1995 (interface mostly), too expensive to mess with, or requires some type of welding skills I lack and the limited car audio shops have no idea how to make or put together.

    This thread is about whether or not the iPad will have a role in people's cars as a car PC. What you are hearing is that, well sure, maybe it will but there are some who aren't interested in it because it either doesn't function the way they want, is difficult to upgrade or load software on, or is restrictive in terms of developer agreements or expansion capability. Software hasn't been thought up yet and upgrading an app is a major part of Apple. Regarding restrictions, this depends on what the app will do and how it will function on the device. A lot of what I hear from others is that Apps get restricted because they don't play nice with other apps, have some type of lingering process going on after its exited, or takes information illegally from the device. As long as whatever is developed stays within the guidelines it should be fine.

    I would note as well, that putting the iPad in the car is something Apple as a corporation would likely vehemently disagree with. It's not designed for the car and they wouldn't support it's use in the car. Therefore, any use of the iPad in the car is going to have to be based around circumventing the original design of the device for use in a different way than intended by the manufacturer. Apple sells third party FM docks for cars, allows apps that can control certain aspects of cars. I really don't think Apple cares if people set these up in cars. They probably won't be apart of it sadly but I seriously doubt they would ban developers for trying this.

    That, my friends, is called hacking. So, you have to admit that people do have a point here when they say there are other alternatives that are better, cheaper, and easier to use. Jailbreaking or circumventing the original design is hacking but so is running Windows 7 in a car. Microsoft didn't make the OS to be used in cars but it is. Installing third party Front end screens for your CarPc's is kind of hacking, welding together a nice CarPC in your car is hacking. Is installing an iPad that different?

    Case in point - loading car PC software on this thing will most likely rely on it being jailbroken. Unlikely that Apple will let a car front end be built on the iPad. Possibly a media center type of interface but not one specifically for the car. Again, we don't know what can be allowed. Apple allows all types of apps as long as they follow the rules. There are many car apps in the app store that rely on third party gadgets. Apple doesn't knock them. Apps that require jailbreaking are apps that failed to follow the rules maybe because of ones own ego, lack of funds to fix it, or just a "I don't give a F" mindset.

    So, right off the bat you have to break the terms of service to use it. But what if you can't jailbreak? Ah! Well then....er then what? Other slate/tablet devices don't limit you like that -absolutely a downside for the iPad. Well then we shall wait and see. I don't mind waiting till the summer. And if you're referring to Full OS tablets, they will fail like I've said before. Full OS's on tablets have not been perfected yet, I don't care what people say or have running because if that were the case I'm pretty sure I would see them more often scattered throughout the web.

    Actually, I agree with chunky that this will spur competition in the slate arena and we'll all be better off in the long run. In the short run, I'm pretty happy so far. First, we had the iPhone, which showed what can be done with a mobile, always connected device that is easy to use. Now we have the iPad and we'll see how that turns out. Alternatively, we'll have other devices that are very similar but less restrictive. Restrictions are sometimes good and is probably why Apple's app store is doing so well. They've reduced the possibilities of people getting fatal errors on their phones, limited the amount of identity theft that could occur with these mobile devices and more. I welcome competition but besides a future WebOS Tablet, Android tablets are a dime a dozen, and HP Slate will most likely be too slow for me.

    Pass or fail, the iPad development is a good thing. Frankly, even if you hate it and Apple, you ought to be rooting for it to succeed because that will spawn a whole series of competitive devices that will all be suitable for experimentation in the car. It's all good.
    Overall, I see where you're coming and there may be better solutions. My thought however is that with the major brand that is Apple and their huge client and developer base it will have a larger impact on society getting this mangled into a car somehow. Faster updates will happen depending on how many people own the app or apps, more solutions will pop up compared to what's currently out there. Some company just released another Android tablet today for like $155 bucks, its not Apple, lower restrictions but it lacks a customer base which will stagger development and ultimately kill the device off eventually. Why do you think people still own iPhone 1G's? Because of the App store. Its the main selling point of Apple and it can be another reason an iPad could work wonders in a car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    No freedom is the six different barcode scanners on the android marketplace available for FREE! What a strange concept to apple users
    [Rimshot] But of course, you must not have seen the free apps for the iPhone as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharpmusic View Post
    The Ipad can't touch the Notion Ink adam with better battery life, 3 USB ports, HDMI out, and 1080p. All for less

    http://gizmodo.com/5471559/notion-in...pecs-finalized
    Thanks! I was thinking of posting the exact same thing. The Notion Ink pwns the iPad in just about every way, is open to install android, *ubuntu*, (or I'm sure debian and later possibly MeeGo as well). Nvidia tegra2 and usb ports? what more can you want from a slate/tablet?

    Unless you are married to the apple store , why would you get the iPad over this?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tripzero View Post
    Thanks! I was thinking of posting the exact same thing. The Notion Ink pwns the iPad in just about every way, is open to install android, *ubuntu*, (or I'm sure debian and later possibly MeeGo as well). Nvidia tegra2 and usb ports? what more can you want from a slate/tablet?

    Unless you are married to the apple store , why would you get the iPad over this?
    It doesnt have a big shinny Apple logo? All kidding aside, doesnt Android and anything Linux have a similar type app store also?
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    @BugByte:
    Yea and all of those apps are available on android for free also.......my point was just that the average android app price is 1/2 that of an iphone app. Theres also twice as many free apps for android as there are for iphones.

    @all:
    Ok now obviously apple users aren't stupid.... but how tech savy is the average apple user? I think that has a lot to do with it.

    @ZX1Cruizer:
    Yea but an xbox has soo many buttons...it could be confusing. The apple console could do it all with a giant wheel

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZX1Cruizer View Post
    It doesnt have a big shinny Apple logo? All kidding aside, doesnt Android and anything Linux have a similar type app store also?
    Yes, except it's not ruled with the same iron fist, and you can elect to just not use it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    @BugByte:
    Yea and all of those apps are available on android for free also.......my point was just that the average android app price is 1/2 that of an iphone app. Theres also twice as many free apps for android as there are for iphones.

    @all:
    Ok now obviously apple users aren't stupid.... but how tech savy is the average apple user? I think that has a lot to do with it.

    @ZX1Cruizer:
    Yea but an xbox has soo many buttons...it could be confusing. The apple console could do it all with a giant wheel
    Wonder how the WinMo Market place is going to turn out. It looks like Windows Mobile 6.5 might be trying to catch up to all the other phone OSes.

    LOL at the big wheel..... i think im the only one that couldnt figure out how to use the big wheel.

    Quote Originally Posted by chunkyks View Post
    Yes, except it's not ruled with the same iron fist, and you can elect to just not use it.

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    I agree. I guess it is what it is. Apple fan bois will be Apple fan bois. Just like I will always be a Microsoft fan boi. Only difference is I will admit when Microsoft makes a cr@ppy product and not buy it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justchat_1 View Post
    @all:
    Ok now obviously apple users aren't stupid.... but how tech savy is the average apple user? I think that has a lot to do with it.
    Without going into who's OS has the most amount of non-tech-savvy users....

    doesnt Android and anything Linux have a similar type app store also?
    My point was, if you were already invested in the apple app store, you have some motivation to keep that investment as opposed to throwing it away (in a sense) by getting another device that's incompatible with that app store.

    The same applies to the Android or any app store that only works on *that* platform. Your investment in that platform becomes a and discourages you from changing platforms.

    Vendors love these techniques because they build unintentional product loyalty. I bought hundreds of songs on itunes for my ipod. I had to throw it all out when I got rid of my ipod. For some, this may be very easy.

    I agree. I guess it is what it is. Apple fan bois will be Apple fan bois. Just like I will always be a Microsoft fan boi. Only difference is I will admit when Microsoft makes a cr@ppy product and not buy it
    The difference is, Apple may make products that a lot of people won't find useful or appealing, but that doesn't make them crappy or of low-quality. While my hatred for Apple grows strong, I have to admit that the user experience (which is really what Apple is selling), it very nice. Other companies do often make very useful but low-quality (aka crappy) products that people want, but can't use without pulling their hair out in frustration (ie, the last time I used win7 and ie8 and was bombarded relentlessly by popup dialogs asking me if I really wanted to do this or that.... kill me now please). . Just like nGhost, it does zomg everything including curing world hunger but getting it to do all that can be rather frustrating. See I'm not biased, I just dogged on my own product .
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